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cassie Elite Member II Posts: 5,253	Troublemaker Friend Mar 13, 2023 9:58:34 GMT -5 via mobile a_muppet and jen like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by cassie on Mar 13, 2023 9:58:34 GMT -5 No one to blame but herself. She had a flat and she walked out. She's behaving like a spoilt brat

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 15, 2023 14:55:15 GMT -5

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Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 15, 2023 14:55:15 GMT -5

My bestie is now safely inside her new apartment. She had the removal van at her previous property. She is unpacking now and has a LOT of sorting to do.

I am glad she's got a roof over her head and is safe and sound. Although her social worker was rather nasty: in that she made Vicky ride the bus instead of giving her a lift in the car. Vicky had two lads help her go to the real bus-stop. She had a heavy suitcase and long-term COVID. But she was helped by the kind people of the town.

I am proud of Vicky for making people listen to getting her own home again.

But that's the way the world is, James: if you don't look like you deserve that desk, you're not going to get that desk.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 16, 2023 4:17:32 GMT -5 a_muppet and cassie like this

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Post by jen on Mar 16, 2023 4:17:32 GMT -5

Mar 15, 2023 14:55:15 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

Although her social worker was rather nasty: in that she made Vicky ride the bus instead of giving her a lift in the car.

It might sound nasty but procedural or insurance reasons my have prohibited her from carrying a client passenger in the course of her work. It's a recognised risk. At work, my car insurance didn't cover work equipment carried and maybe wouldn't have covered carriage of a client, even though it was business insurance.

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Post by cassie on Mar 16, 2023 8:17:11 GMT -5

Mar 16, 2023 4:17:32 GMT -5 jen said:

Mar 15, 2023 14:55:15 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

Although her social worker was rather nasty: in that she made Vicky ride the bus instead of giving her a lift in the car.

It might sound nasty but procedural or insurance reasons my have prohibited her from carrying a client passenger in the course of her work. It's a recognised risk. At work, my car insurance didn't cover work equipment carried and maybe wouldn't have covered carriage of a client, even though it was business insurance.

Exactly what I was going to say. We were never allowed to carry clients in our cars.

Popcorn&Candy Elite Member III Posts: 6,025	Troublemaker Friend Mar 18, 2023 5:32:15 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 18, 2023 5:32:15 GMT -5 Even though I know the rules, it still feels really mean.
	But that's the way the world is, James: if you don't look like you deserve that desk, you're not going to get that desk.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 18, 2023 5:35:40 GMT -5 jen likes this

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Post by cassie on Mar 18, 2023 5:35:40 GMT -5

Mar 18, 2023 5:32:15 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

Even though I know the rules, it still feels really mean.

Just imagine, the social worker gave her a lift and through no fault of hers there was a crash.

The social worker could get sued , she would loose her job her insurence would be void because she is not allowed to carry clients so if Vikki had injuries she would have to claim from the social worker herself, without insurence where would the money come from? She would be forced to lend the money or sell up to pay the claim

Just by giving someone a lift that person is risking everything ..

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Popcorn&Candy Elite Member III Posts: 6,025	Troublemaker Friend Mar 18, 2023 5:38:10 GMT -5 cassie likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 18, 2023 5:38:10 GMT -5 You've got a point, Cassie. I shall have to heed your words.
	But that's the way the world is, James: if you don't look like you deserve that desk, you're not going to get that desk.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 18, 2023 6:06:06 GMT -5 cassie, jen, and 1 more like this

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Post by a_muppet on Mar 18, 2023 6:06:06 GMT -5

It's an old story hence the money involved.

I was doing nhs house calls. I came out of the building and was climbing into my car, there was a guy struggling with a large suitcase.

"Any chance of a lift, just to the station it's only a 2 minute drive?"

"Sorry, friend. I am on nhs work, not allowed, car insurance, risk analysis, carrying strangers etc, the sack if I got caught, Health and Safety"

"I will pay you a tenner..."

"Wait a minute, I will open the hatch, the case will fit in there...."

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Post by jen on Mar 18, 2023 8:09:20 GMT -5

Mar 18, 2023 6:06:06 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

It's an old story hence the money involved.

I was doing nhs house calls. I came out of the building and was climbing into my car, there was a guy struggling with a large suitcase.

"Any chance of a lift, just to the station it's only a 2 minute drive?"

"Sorry, friend. I am on nhs work, not allowed, car insurance, risk analysis, carrying strangers etc, the sack if I got caught, Health and Safety"

"I will pay you a tenner..."

"Wait a minute, I will open the hatch, the case will fit in there...."

In ordinary life that happens all the time but it would invalidate even an ordinary insurance policy let alone business

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Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 18, 2023 16:19:44 GMT -5

Mar 18, 2023 6:06:06 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

It's an old story hence the money involved.

I was doing nhs house calls. I came out of the building and was climbing into my car, there was a guy struggling with a large suitcase.

"Any chance of a lift, just to the station it's only a 2 minute drive?"

"Sorry, friend. I am on nhs work, not allowed, car insurance, risk analysis, carrying strangers etc, the sack if I got caught, Health and Safety"

"I will pay you a tenner..."

"Wait a minute, I will open the hatch, the case will fit in there...."

Sometimes rules are meant to be broken: Vicky's social worker could've bent the rules just the once and never been found out. I would've done that. Sure, there could be some random crash. But that would be unlikely. It just seems so wrong to leave a vulnerable woman with long-term COVID-19 carry a heavy suitcase and two heavy bags on the bus when there is a car available.

I won't mention it again but it seems so WRONG.

But that's the way the world is, James: if you don't look like you deserve that desk, you're not going to get that desk.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 19, 2023 9:30:37 GMT -5 a_muppet and cassie like this

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Post by jen on Mar 19, 2023 9:30:37 GMT -5

Mar 18, 2023 16:19:44 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

Mar 18, 2023 6:06:06 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

It's an old story hence the money involved.

I was doing nhs house calls. I came out of the building and was climbing into my car, there was a guy struggling with a large suitcase.

"Any chance of a lift, just to the station it's only a 2 minute drive?"

"Sorry, friend. I am on nhs work, not allowed, car insurance, risk analysis, carrying strangers etc, the sack if I got caught, Health and Safety"

"I will pay you a tenner..."

"Wait a minute, I will open the hatch, the case will fit in there...."

Sometimes rules are meant to be broken: Vicky's social worker could've bent the rules just the once and never been found out. I would've done that. Sure, there could be some random crash. But that would be unlikely. It just seems so wrong to leave a vulnerable woman with long-term COVID-19 carry a heavy suitcase and two heavy bags on the bus when there is a car available.

I won't mention it again but it seems so WRONG.

It's obvious you are not a driver or you would understand better.

You did say previously that she had a removal van. If so why was she carrying such a load? It sounds like poor organisation. A taxi would have sorted it as well. It sounds like she expects everything to be given to her on a plate.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 19, 2023 15:00:46 GMT -5

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Post by a_muppet on Mar 19, 2023 15:00:46 GMT -5

Mar 19, 2023 9:30:37 GMT -5 jen said:

Mar 18, 2023 16:19:44 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

Sometimes rules are meant to be broken: Vicky's social worker could've bent the rules just the once and never been found out. I would've done that. Sure, there could be some random crash. But that would be unlikely. It just seems so wrong to leave a vulnerable woman with long-term COVID-19 carry a heavy suitcase and two heavy bags on the bus when there is a car available.

I won't mention it again but it seems so WRONG.

It's obvious you are not a driver or you would understand better.

You did say previously that she had a removal van. If so why was she carrying such a load? It sounds like poor organisation. A taxi would have sorted it as well. It sounds like she expects everything to be given to her on a plate.

That does seem to be a prevailing thought I have many times when vicky gets a mention.

Caution, I am feral.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 20, 2023 4:44:20 GMT -5

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Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 20, 2023 4:44:20 GMT -5

Mar 19, 2023 9:30:37 GMT -5 jen said:

It sounds like she expects everything to be given to her on a plate.

This stood out for me: it rings true. Vicky - I am certain - does expect everything to be handed to her. I guess I just forgive her for that. Although there are times when she is actually right. Still, she does expect a lot from people.

But that's the way the world is, James: if you don't look like you deserve that desk, you're not going to get that desk.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 20, 2023 5:36:26 GMT -5 a_muppet, jen, and 1 more like this

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Post by cassie on Mar 20, 2023 5:36:26 GMT -5

Mar 20, 2023 4:44:20 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

Mar 19, 2023 9:30:37 GMT -5 jen said:

It sounds like she expects everything to be given to her on a plate.

This stood out for me: it rings true. Vicky - I am certain - does expect everything to be handed to her. I guess I just forgive her for that. Although there are times when she is actually right. Still, she does expect a lot from people.

Trying not to judge but. I have a long term friend in London. She is such a gentle soul and wouldnt hurt a fly. She has MH problems and is treated like sh** for years, she was left living in a one room flat(?) with a tiny cooking plate on a chest of drawers in the corner where she had to share a bathroom with the other people in the house.

Two years ago the house was sold and she had to move. She is in assisted/supported housing and has been moved about 3 times in that two years,because her council say they dont have permentant housing for her. She doesnt get to say where she goes or when she just gets moved on. She has no decent support ,she gets nothing handed to her, she lives in isolation watching tv or knitting to pass her day.

She has never abused anyone , never been in trouble with the police never 'kicked off 'at anyone,never got drunk or used drugs never threatened anyone and so she is overlooked. why ? because social workers are overrun with work looking after people like Vikky.

Vikky isnt just being a PITA she is actually robbing other people of help they need because she cannot or will not behave.

Im sorry but I have no sympathy for your friend any more. She is the making of her own problems, people are not being wicked to her they are sticking to the rules and as for this move , well if she hadnt walked out on her last place she wouldnt have needed to move so she shouldnt be moaning about having to get the bus she got a new flat handed to her and she wont get moved on in six months will she?

Why should Vikky get it all and Lydia get left with nothing ?

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 20, 2023 6:04:44 GMT -5 cassie and jen like this

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Post by a_muppet on Mar 20, 2023 6:04:44 GMT -5

Mar 20, 2023 5:36:26 GMT -5 cassie said:

Mar 20, 2023 4:44:20 GMT -5 Popcorn&Candy said:

This stood out for me: it rings true. Vicky - I am certain - does expect everything to be handed to her. I guess I just forgive her for that. Although there are times when she is actually right. Still, she does expect a lot from people.

Trying not to judge but. I have a long term friend in London. She is such a gentle soul and wouldnt hurt a fly. She has MH problems and is treated like sh** for years, she was left living in a one room flat(?) with a tiny cooking plate on a chest of drawers in the corner where she had to share a bathroom with the other people in the house.

Two years ago the house was sold and she had to move. She is in assisted/supported housing and has been moved about 3 times in that two years,because her council say they dont have permentant housing for her. She doesnt get to say where she goes or when she just gets moved on. She has no decent support ,she gets nothing handed to her, she lives in isolation watching tv or knitting to pass her day.

She has never abused anyone , never been in trouble with the police never 'kicked off 'at anyone,never got drunk or used drugs never threatened anyone and so she is overlooked. why ? because social workers are overrun with work looking after people like Vikky.

Vikky isnt just being a PITA she is actually robbing other people of help they need because she cannot or will not behave.

Im sorry but I have no sympathy for your friend any more. She is the making of her own problems, people are not being wicked to her they are sticking to the rules and as for this move , well if she hadnt walked out on her last place she wouldnt have needed to move so she shouldnt be moaning about having to get the bus she got a new flat handed to her and she wont get moved on in six months will she?

Why should Vikky get it all and Lydia get left with nothing ?

It's the same in the NHS. You act in a reasonable fashion, and you get to join the long queue right at the very end. You also know, deep down, that the queue is getting longer ahead of you as others are pushing in, while acting less than reasonably.

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Post by cassie on Mar 20, 2023 6:30:08 GMT -5

Mar 20, 2023 6:04:44 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

Mar 20, 2023 5:36:26 GMT -5 cassie said:

Trying not to judge but. I have a long term friend in London. She is such a gentle soul and wouldnt hurt a fly. She has MH problems and is treated like sh** for years, she was left living in a one room flat(?) with a tiny cooking plate on a chest of drawers in the corner where she had to share a bathroom with the other people in the house.

Two years ago the house was sold and she had to move. She is in assisted/supported housing and has been moved about 3 times in that two years,because her council say they dont have permentant housing for her. She doesnt get to say where she goes or when she just gets moved on. She has no decent support ,she gets nothing handed to her, she lives in isolation watching tv or knitting to pass her day.

She has never abused anyone , never been in trouble with the police never 'kicked off 'at anyone,never got drunk or used drugs never threatened anyone and so she is overlooked. why ? because social workers are overrun with work looking after people like Vikky.

Vikky isnt just being a PITA she is actually robbing other people of help they need because she cannot or will not behave.

Im sorry but I have no sympathy for your friend any more. She is the making of her own problems, people are not being wicked to her they are sticking to the rules and as for this move , well if she hadnt walked out on her last place she wouldnt have needed to move so she shouldnt be moaning about having to get the bus she got a new flat handed to her and she wont get moved on in six months will she?

Why should Vikky get it all and Lydia get left with nothing ?

It's the same in the NHS. You act in a reasonable fashion, and you get to join the long queue right at the very end. You also know, deep down, that the queue is getting longer ahead of you as others are pushing in, while acting less than reasonably.

Exactly. When OH and I got married we went to the council to get onto the housing list..So after a long question list the upshot was..We were married, I wasnt pregnant, we didnt have a social worker or better still a probation officer, we were not of any ethnic minority , we were not gay and worst of all OH worked ..We were told we would be lucky if we got offered a place in 20 years..

Meanwhile the daughter of a friend has never worked has several convictions has 5 children by 4 different fathers has always been oused by the council and she now has a 5 bedroom house.

I am coming to the conclusion that working hard and being honest gets you absolutly nowhere.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 20, 2023 6:51:30 GMT -5

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Post by a_muppet on Mar 20, 2023 6:51:30 GMT -5

Mar 20, 2023 6:30:08 GMT -5 cassie said:

Mar 20, 2023 6:04:44 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

It's the same in the NHS. You act in a reasonable fashion, and you get to join the long queue right at the very end. You also know, deep down, that the queue is getting longer ahead of you as others are pushing in, while acting less than reasonably.

Exactly. When OH and I got married we went to the council to get onto the housing list..So after a long question list the upshot was..We were married, I wasnt pregnant, we didnt have a social worker or better still a probation officer, we were not of any ethnic minority , we were not gay and worst of all OH worked ..We were told we would be lucky if we got offered a place in 20 years..

Meanwhile the daughter of a friend has never worked has several convictions has 5 children by 4 different fathers has always been oused by the council and she now has a 5 bedroom house.

I am coming to the conclusion that working hard and being honest gets you absolutly nowhere.

I did the exact same thing in east sussex, though we were unmarried. The clerk told us much the same too. I knew nought about nought, and just went off and got a large mortgage on the cheapest house on the market.

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Troublemaker Friend Mar 20, 2023 10:24:07 GMT -5

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Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 20, 2023 10:24:07 GMT -5

I read your post with interest, Cassie: your friend's situation is not fair. And you're right in many regards: Vicky did make her own self homeless. She CHOSE to leave her flat. She CHOSE to kick off with the police. She CHOSE to spend a week in a hotel other people paid for. She couldn't accept where she was, so ran away and blamed other people.

She chose everything that happened to her. No one made her hit that nurse. No one made her hit in that man in the street - which she was put in the paper for. No one made her fight the police.

I guess sympathy is down the toilet.

But that's the way the world is, James: if you don't look like you deserve that desk, you're not going to get that desk.