I have decided Vicky does need a friend. I won't sacrifice myself for her, but I do care. She isn't some monster: she is a vulnerable and lonely woman. I won't make excuses or condone breaking the law, but I do have some sympathy for Vicky.
Life is not easy for her and the fact other people get away with it and yet she is targeted is deeply unfair. She said this to me last night on the telephone: and I agree with her. Why is Vicky always the scapegoat?
You never told us before that she was innocent? In fact you have told us she regularly breaks the law?
People who get a bad name with the police often have a hard time putting it behind them. Responding agressivley to authority does not help in that and will esculate things.
She really needs to keep a low profile for a few years.
People who get a bad name with the police often have a hard time putting it behind them. Responding agressivley to authority does not help in that and will esculate things.
She really needs to keep a low profile for a few years.
I agree. I don't condone her behaviour. But I do feel she deserves a friend: someone who doesn't judge her and tell her what to do. Plus, she listens to me: getting aggressive towards her and saying what she must and must not do does not work with Vicky. She has to decide for herself. I can make kind suggestions but that's it.
I feel she is a scapegoat because there are others that do the same as her and walk away scot-free. It isn't fair. When others are in the wrong - like the neighbour smoking weed and the police letting him get away with it - is one example. Vicky doesn't touch weed or other drugs, yet the police let her neighbour get away with it. There are other examples, but that is just one.
Vicky doesn't drink heavily, she doesn't smoke and she never uses drugs: I know this for a fact. And she never has encouraged me to be a criminal. She needs people to LISTEN.
People who get a bad name with the police often have a hard time putting it behind them. Responding agressivley to authority does not help in that and will esculate things.
She really needs to keep a low profile for a few years.
I agree. I don't condone her behaviour. But I do feel she deserves a friend: someone who doesn't judge her and tell her what to do. Plus, she listens to me: getting aggressive towards her and saying what she must and must not do does not work with Vicky. She has to decide for herself. I can make kind suggestions but that's it.
I feel she is a scapegoat because there are others that do the same as her and walk away scot-free. It isn't fair. When others are in the wrong - like the neighbour smoking weed and the police letting him get away with it - is one example. Vicky doesn't touch weed or other drugs, yet the police let her neighbour get away with it. There are other examples, but that is just one.
Vicky doesn't drink heavily, she doesn't smoke and she never uses drugs: I know this for a fact. And she never has encouraged me to be a criminal. She needs people to LISTEN.
I agree. I was just making an observation really. As for things in general we both know that society is not such that people stop and listen. It perhaps ought to be but most people just carry on and only notice when someone is extreme. This is what I mean about keeping a low profile.
It's interesting that you speak of drugs. I know, locally to me, I have neighbours who complain about the smell of the drugs their neighbours are using. In other respects though those neigbours are pretty quiet and don't appear to create issues for anyone. Maybe illegal but, even compared to my neighbours barking dogs, probably far less of an issue.
Your scapegoat reasoning, I think, is flawed. It's a human tendency to see the grass being greener on the other side or the next supermarket queue seemingly moving faster than our own. The police turning a blind eye may or may not be. They may have their reasons.
Society is complicated and it can be hard to fit in. It's good that you give her support but she needs to learn that the only way people will listen is when she listens herself rather than demanding attention. Speaking as somewhat of a rebel myself and looking at the experiences of those around me, I think she really needs to learn to look at herself through the eyes of others. She is maybe not doing wrong but she is not understanding. As you know, life is about supporting each other, not demanding attention. She will get little sympathy with that kind of attitude. Have you ever asked her how she would feel if she met someone with her approach to life? Would she get on with them?
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Nov 24, 2022 10:53:13 GMT -5
I've read your post with great interest, jen: you have pointed out important things. She doesn't realize that she won't get sympathy by demanding attention. And would she get along with someone else similar to her? I will certainly ask her those questions: with tact, of course.
Hi Candy, maybe you can look at it this way. There are many speedy cars on the highway, the cops can't catch all of them, so they need to pick the one within their reach or the one they consider worth being caught. Maybe your friend Vicky falls within this range. I do believe that, a person is caught because they must have committed something serious. Scapegoat is when the person is innocent or does not commit anything serious. If you do the crime, be ready to pay regardless of why the other criminals are not caught, they will, it just take time.
You mention she just need someone to listen to her, are you saying she is behaving badly just to get attention? How old is she? if she is 30s or 40s...and is willing to go to that length just to get attention, there is no way you can help her, in fact you are enabling her because she will continue to do it so that she can your attention again and again but is it your attention that she is seeking or is she a chronic, habitual petty criminal? if she is, there is no amount of listening that will help her. So, besides listening to her? what else have you done to help her? if you think you should help her.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Nov 26, 2022 10:59:59 GMT -5
All your responses have given me food for thought.
I will not get involved in any bad behaviour. I do know she has good in her, but I will be cautious. I do not condone breaking the law and will only offer worded advice.
Ultimately, it is up to Vicky to behave in a mature way and learn how to do it right. I can only advise her and just talk to her on the phone. I think she knows all this, too.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Nov 30, 2022 13:16:13 GMT -5
Sadly Vicky's former foster dad has passed away. He died two weeks ago. I don't know why I wasn't told sooner, but I told my friend last night. She'll be sending her former foster mum a sympathy card: just as I will do.
It is very sad and I can't imagine how devastated his spouse must be.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Dec 4, 2022 14:48:26 GMT -5
You've all been right: Vicky is a troublemaker through and through.
If she runs away - like she has threatened - then she'll be done for comtempt of court and will end up in a police cell. She also says she's going to kill herself. She has no one to spend Christmas with and is very lonely.
I know I keep defending her: but I can't defend her if she is a criminal. I wish - and hope - it turns out she isn't a criminal, but I am wondering.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Dec 7, 2022 10:00:48 GMT -5
She didn't do a runner in the end: I don't know what changed her mind. BUT I did advise her to be patient until she has a new apartment. It'll take time but I advised her to be patient and that running away wouldn't solve her problems. She must've listened to me.
She didn't do a runner in the end: I don't know what changed her mind. BUT I did advise her to be patient until she has a new apartment. It'll take time but I advised her to be patient and that running away wouldn't solve her problems. She must've listened to me.
If only this quote were still true: she's run off for good this time. She's staying with a friend and has refused to return to her flat. She says she's homeless: she has a flat to go to. But I can't tell her that. She is refusing to stay put and face her problems.
Thankfully I don't think like her: or I'd've lost my own apartment years ago. She is a little jealous that I haven't needed to move away and that people are nice to me. She was a little aggressive on the phone, to be honest. Still, I can't blame her. But I feel she's brought this on herself: she is hardly blameless. Sometimes others are in the wrong, sometimes she is in the wrong.
As for her coming here: she doesn't want to move to my town and there isn't enough room in my apartment for both of us. If I had an extra bedroom, I'd let her stay, but I don't.
A new appartment wont help if she continues to make trouble. . She needs tough professional help. Possible in-patient help ( sectioned) to find the cause and treatment she needs before letting her back out into society?
The worst thing she needs is people 'taking her side', helping her avoid the issues, letting her stay with them when she has a place or making excuses for her therefore re-enforcing her delusions that everyone is against her.
If she has MH issues she needs treatment if she is just antisocial maybe a stint in jail would help knock some sense into her, either way its no situation for amateurs.
A new appartment wont help if she continues to make trouble. . She needs tough professional help. Possible in-patient help ( sectioned) to find the cause and treatment she needs before letting her back out into society? The worst thing she needs is people 'taking her side', helping her avoid the issues, letting her stay with them when she has a place or making excuses for her therefore re-enforcing her delusions that everyone is against her.
If she has MH issues she needs treatment if she is just antisocial maybe a stint in jail would help knock some sense into her, either way its no situation for amateurs.
I have to agree entirely with your post: the highlighted text made me think. You're right of course: she is delusioned that everyone is against her. And it also is a situation that such as myself - when I'm no mental health professional - is needed to be treated by qualified people. Unfortunately, I AM an amateur. There is no denying it.
If the worst happens, she will end up in jail. There's no getting around it. She's already been arrested and held in a cell a few times. She's had court cases against her. I cannot excuse or condone her behaviour. Nor can anyone else.
Stay tuned for the next instalment of Vicky's troubled life.
I know jail isn't ideal but if she gets a custodial sentence there should be a mh evaluation. Of course not what anyone would want but it might be the only way to get her into treatment if she continues in this self destructive path.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Feb 28, 2023 15:55:02 GMT -5
She has moved on again: there was trouble with her "landlord" for lack of a better term.
I won't go into it but she has moved on. Fingers crossed, she gets a new property in the coming months. At the very least she'll have temporary accomodation for at least 6 months.
She has moved on again: there was trouble with her "landlord" for lack of a better term.
I won't go into it but she has moved on. Fingers crossed, she gets a new property in the coming months. At the very least she'll have temporary accomodation for at least 6 months.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 8, 2023 11:07:36 GMT -5
I paid for my friend's taxi yesterday via my smart phone. I also gave my card details to allow her to stay the night in a hotel: if I hadn't she would've been sleeping on a park bench. As much as I disagree with her decisions, I couldn't do that to her. I had no choice, basically.
I paid for my friend's taxi yesterday via my smart phone. I also gave my card details to allow her to stay the night in a hotel: if I hadn't she would've been sleeping on a park bench. As much as I disagree with her decisions, I couldn't do that to her. I had no choice, basically.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 8, 2023 15:49:58 GMT -5
...Yet I am glad I helped her out.
In fact, I've been talking to her on the telephone and she seems better within herself. And I am frustrated FOR her: rather than out of my selfish needs. She IS right in many ways: I haven't had to move properties or get into scrapes with my neighbours. I am more lucky in many ways. I have a sister and dad down the road: my finances aren't so worrying. I just want her to be happy and find a forever home, where she isn't abused and doesn't have to run away.
I have a lot of sympathy: and I am frustrated FOR her.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 12, 2023 4:50:17 GMT -5
Vicky has been calling every so often since 6am today. Way too early for a social call. I'll just say I was in bed asleep: there's no reason she'd doubt me. Because I am NOT having a social chat at that time of day. The king could telephone me at that time and I wouldn't answer the phone.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Mar 13, 2023 9:39:48 GMT -5
So much for her new apartment: she saw two apartments - both in the middle of nowhere [and she doesn't drive a car] - so they are out the window. It'll be temporary accommodation - again - and I have told her she'll have to suck it up. Beggars can't be choosers. No matter how "flawed" the home, she'll have no choice but to live there. She has to realize she will have NO CHOICE. It is live in a flawed home or live on the street. She can't afford anymore nights at a hotel.
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