Post by Popcorn&Candy on Apr 20, 2021 8:13:25 GMT -5
I don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell. I don't believe in an Indian god, an Egyptian god, a Greek god or any other god. If there is a god, he hasn't helped me in any way. I don't go to church and I don't pray. I would never claim to understand a god: if there is one.
Religion divides people. People fight each other because they're part of different religions. People actually murder each other because they come from different religions. In the old days, priests and nuns frightened children into believing money made them evil. That they were doomed and would go to hell if they didn't follow the rules laid out before them.
I don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell. I don't believe in an Indian god, an Egyptian god, a Greek god or any other god. If there is a god, he hasn't helped me in any way. I don't go to church and I don't pray. I would never claim to understand a god: if there is one.
Religion divides people. People fight each other because they're part of different religions. People actually murder each other because they come from different religions. In the old days, priests and nuns frightened children into believing money made them evil. That they were doomed and would go to hell if they didn't follow the rules laid out before them.
I don't like religion: and never will.
I don't actually believe in god. However if there is a righteous god, I am sure that they do not believe in religions.
Posting this again. Because yet again it hasnt featured or even had a mention in any mainstream news media. There wont be any collectors knocking at your door to ask for your help in preventing or supporting those affected by it. No one is wearing a coloured ribbon. Its hugely overshadowed by tomorrow ( 9/11) but its still happening , people are still dying and because of the pandemic its worse than ever not only are more people feeling that they have nothing to live for but those who do reach out are finding it harder than ever to find help. So please spare a thought. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today Sept 10th world suicide prevention day. I bet most people have never heard of it.. Yet suicide is one of the biggest killers around. Every year world wide 1 million people commit suicide, thats 3,000 a day or one every 40 seconds. More than half of all violent deaths in the world are suicide. In the USA alone each year 32,000 people commit suicide. Thats 10 times more than the total number of deaths in 9/11. In the UK each year its over 3,500, to give you a scale, last year only 2,946 died in road deaths. These statistics are from the AFSP and SMHAI So why is it you never see anyone with a collection tin for research into the reasons for suicide or to help the families, why don’t you see people wearing a ribbon or badge to mark the day? how much is spent on road safety? How much has been raised for charities connected with 9/11? I don’t intend to take anything away from those events I use them simply to show the scale involved. And world Suicide prevention day is sept 10th so it gets overshadowed. You may wonder what this has to do with you.. Things like that happen to other people , not to nice ordinary people , normal familes…. But it does and it can and in the short time its taken you to read this post another person has decided that they would rather take their own life than face another day.....Please take a moment to remember them
Yes I would agree that suicide is little thought about but, even if they never do anything about it, a very large percentage of the population have contemplated it at some time or other. It's a subject I don't just reserve for a special day and like to keep an eye out. It seems nothing but just a friendly smile or a few words can make someone's day better.
I know the major impact of 9/11 and what it means and we should strive to see it not happen again but in having a discussion with someone yesterday it occurred that New York, or the USA generally, has never had such carnage from a warlike act. Remembering the blitz of London and many other Euopean places in WWII puts it somewhat in the shade. I think the main impact of 9/11 was really to bring home to the American people that they are just as vulnerable as everyone else.
I am sure most of us don't really give it much thought unless we personally know someone that did or tried to commit suicide. That's so unfortunate. I hate to admit I am guilty of that and it's something I will forever regret. I have a dear friend whos brother killed himself and have seen the effects that it caused through their families and friends.
I am sure most of us don't really give it much thought unless we personally know someone that did or tried to commit suicide. That's so unfortunate. I hate to admit I am guilty of that and it's something I will forever regret. I have a dear friend whos brother killed himself and have seen the effects that it caused through their families and friends.
I had a lot of suicidal ideation as a pre-teen and teenager. I was always treated like it's just normal stages to go through, but it didn't feel normal, and it took a lot of crying and begging for someone to get me help. I hope the stigma lessens more and more over time for mental ailments... It's always sad to know how so many people feel like the only 'good' option is to no longer exist.
Last Edit: Sept 10, 2021 17:21:53 GMT -5 by heatherly
I heard last night that FB friend is in a pysch ward after trying to jump from a motorway flyover bridge.
I knew he had been off his medication so Im not shocked to hear this.
What Im shocked at is my lack of any emotion, its as if this is inevitable.... What does that say about me or us as a society when we just accept if someone is off their meds suicicde will be the outcome.
I think it's another sign that the mass of media coverage numbs us to these things to some extent. Hearing of a suicide when few happen is a notable event but the constant stream on TV means that it is only really the close friends that we see whose bad experiences really hit home. I don't think it is really accepting, just not unexpected.
I don't think it is really accepting, just not unexpected.
True... I think it's harder when it's something that is a complete surprise versus you sort of see something coming.
These two comments ring true.
It is hard to accept someone killing themselves. The fact they feel so upset and alone is hard to view. I just hope their families remember them in good times. It won't ease the pain but it will help a little.
Last Edit: Sept 11, 2021 17:46:00 GMT -5 by heatherly
Well I'm very happy that I posted yet again about world suicide prevention day. I added a post on my Facebook and someone responded they said it has given them comfort that someone has spoken out for those who lose their lives to the darkness. She lost a loved one 20 years ago but the family will not speak of him, so her feelings have been bottled up and pushed away she said having someone speak out as I did has helped her.
That makes me feel good because making anyone else feel good and feel ok about remembering a loved one is worthwhile.
I remember over 10 years ago I was driving while away on holiday, and a van passed me going the other way. I remember to this day, the driver sitting there behind the wheel, crying his eyes out...
It still disturbs me that I could do nothing.
We have no idea what is going on in other people's lives really. Which is why we should be thoughtful if we can.
Post by TestDummyCO on Sept 23, 2021 19:57:08 GMT -5
Here in the US, September is National Suicide Prevention Month. Volunteers from my indirect employer were standing outside the entrances to the parking lots, holding signs with various phrases like, "We're in this together," or "Don't sweat the small stuff," etc.
Cassie, do you remember that I mentioned AmazonSmile last year when I made some purchases from the UK? I received an email from them, telling me how much they donated to Suicide Crisis. I was disappointed that it was such a small amount. I guess, that's better than nothing.
This is your quarterly AmazonSmile donation notification. Your chosen charity, Suicide Crisis, recently received a quarterly donation of £31.43 from AmazonSmile, thanks to customers shopping at smile.amazon.co.uk or with AmazonSmile turned ON in the app. This amount includes any additional donations generated as a result of the 2021 Prime Day promotion.
To date, Amazon has donated a total of: • £190.63 to Suicide Crisis • £10,771,114.58 to UK charities Thank you for supporting Suicide Crisis at no extra cost to you, by shopping at AmazonSmile. You can track your impact throughout the year at the Your AmazonSmile Impact page.
Here in the US, September is National Suicide Prevention Month. Volunteers from my indirect employer were standing outside the entrances to the parking lots, holding signs with various phrases like, "We're in this together," or "Don't sweat the small stuff," etc.
Cassie, do you remember that I mentioned AmazonSmile last year when I made some purchases from the UK? I received an email from them, telling me how much they donated to Suicide Crisis. I was disappointed that it was such a small amount. I guess, that's better than nothing.
This is your quarterly AmazonSmile donation notification. Your chosen charity, Suicide Crisis, recently received a quarterly donation of £31.43 from AmazonSmile, thanks to customers shopping at smile.amazon.co.uk or with AmazonSmile turned ON in the app. This amount includes any additional donations generated as a result of the 2021 Prime Day promotion.
To date, Amazon has donated a total of: • £190.63 to Suicide Crisis • £10,771,114.58 to UK charities Thank you for supporting Suicide Crisis at no extra cost to you, by shopping at AmazonSmile. You can track your impact throughout the year at the Your AmazonSmile Impact page.
Youre right every little helps but more than that its breaking the taboo. Its making Suicide a subject that can be spoken about given a face and a collection box to shake just like any other charity.
Here in the US, September is National Suicide Prevention Month. Volunteers from my indirect employer were standing outside the entrances to the parking lots, holding signs with various phrases like, "We're in this together," or "Don't sweat the small stuff," etc.
Cassie, do you remember that I mentioned AmazonSmile last year when I made some purchases from the UK? I received an email from them, telling me how much they donated to Suicide Crisis. I was disappointed that it was such a small amount. I guess, that's better than nothing.
This is your quarterly AmazonSmile donation notification. Your chosen charity, Suicide Crisis, recently received a quarterly donation of £31.43 from AmazonSmile, thanks to customers shopping at smile.amazon.co.uk or with AmazonSmile turned ON in the app. This amount includes any additional donations generated as a result of the 2021 Prime Day promotion.
To date, Amazon has donated a total of: • £190.63 to Suicide Crisis • £10,771,114.58 to UK charities Thank you for supporting Suicide Crisis at no extra cost to you, by shopping at AmazonSmile. You can track your impact throughout the year at the Your AmazonSmile Impact page.
I doubt if suicide charities will ever get a lot of support. When I was a child, the church was very insistent that suicide was one of the biggest sins, and that you went straight to hell for it.
Here in the US, September is National Suicide Prevention Month. Volunteers from my indirect employer were standing outside the entrances to the parking lots, holding signs with various phrases like, "We're in this together," or "Don't sweat the small stuff," etc.
Cassie, do you remember that I mentioned AmazonSmile last year when I made some purchases from the UK? I received an email from them, telling me how much they donated to Suicide Crisis. I was disappointed that it was such a small amount. I guess, that's better than nothing.
I doubt if suicide charities will ever get a lot of support. When I was a child, the church was very insistent that suicide was one of the biggest sins, and that you went straight to hell for it.
These things stick in your head.
Exactly in general it wont be our generation that changes but for our children and our grandchildren breaking the taboo now will mean they will feel able to talk about these things.
Again, I don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell: they go to God and give up their pain and fears, as they walk with the king.
Suicide should never be a taboo. It is real: it happens and people who want to commit suicide need others support. Not religious judgement.*
*I know you're not saying you agree with your childhood education, a_muppet. Even if you did, that wouldn't be my concern.**
**I mean that in the nicest way possible!
( My bold in your above post)
Support is important but last week I had to unfriend someone. Ive blocked his account now too so that I dont get drawn back in.
He tried to take his own life on Sept 10th and didnt go through with it , he ended up in a physc ward..
Now I know people have responded to him telling his story with good intentions, but many of the messages sound as if they are close to, if not actually enabling his behaviour.
I cant quite explain but instead of saying 'I know how you feel and you will overcome this'... Many are almost glorifying the dark thoughts and encouraging his mania.
Of course he cant see that, he had gone off his meds so his mind isnt straight. Not one post I read gave any consideration to his family and loved ones.
What that did to me was bring back all the grief and anger I had inside, 36 years of thinking what about me?? Did I count for nothing? Was I not important enough in your world? What did I do that made you leave me? How do I deal with this? How do I grieve? How do I explain this? and of course WHY?
I was angry at those posts and angry at myself , I had no idea I was still so fragile , so easily hurt , so brittle and damaged. 36 years and the words of his enablers hit home like daggers.
Again, I don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell: they go to God and give up their pain and fears, as they walk with the king.
Suicide should never be a taboo. It is real: it happens and people who want to commit suicide need others support. Not religious judgement.*
*I know you're not saying you agree with your childhood education, a_muppet. Even if you did, that wouldn't be my concern.**
**I mean that in the nicest way possible!
( My bold in your above post)
Support is important but last week I had to unfriend someone. Ive blocked his account now too so that I dont get drawn back in.
He tried to take his own life on Sept 10th and didnt go through with it , he ended up in a physc ward..
Now I know people have responded to him telling his story with good intentions, but many of the messages sound as if they are close to, if not actually enabling his behaviour.
I cant quite explain but instead of saying 'I know how you feel and you will overcome this'... Many are almost glorifying the dark thoughts and encouraging his mania.
Of course he cant see that, he had gone off his meds so his mind isnt straight. Not one post I read gave any consideration to his family and loved ones.
What that did to me was bring back all the grief and anger I had inside, 36 years of thinking what about me?? Did I count for nothing? Was I not important enough in your world? What did I do that made you leave me? How do I deal with this? How do I grieve? How do I explain this? and of course WHY?
I was angry at those posts and angry at myself , I had no idea I was still so fragile , so easily hurt , so brittle and damaged. 36 years and the words of his enablers hit home like daggers.
Post by TestDummyCO on Sept 30, 2021 18:47:18 GMT -5
I'm so sorry, Cassie. It's really hard when old wounds are reopened.
I just received an interesting postcard from CenturyLink (our landline service provider), saying that mandatory 10-digit dialing becomes effective on October 24 due to FCC 988 adoption (like 911 for emergencies):
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has adopted 988 as a new three-digit number to be used nationwide to reach the National Suicide Prevention and Mental Health Crisis Lifeline, starting July 16,2022. Customers must continue to dial 1-800-273-TALK to reach the Lifeline until July 16, 2022.
In order to 988 to work in your area code, mandatory 10-digit local dialing will be implemented. If your area code is included in the list on the back of this postcard, you will need to dial the area code for all local calls starting on October 24, 2021.
Colorado Area Codes affected are 719 (mine) and 720 (Denver). It looks like 35 other states (or parts thereof) and Guam are affected by this change as well.
Last Edit: Sept 30, 2021 18:48:16 GMT -5 by TestDummyCO
We had one in the family ( BIL) a few years ago, he ended up killing himself. Everytime I hear my FIL talked about it, I think he did the right thing for himself and everyone.
I'm so sorry, Cassie. It's really hard when old wounds are reopened.
I just received an interesting postcard from CenturyLink (our landline service provider), saying that mandatory 10-digit dialing becomes effective on October 24 due to FCC 988 adoption (like 911 for emergencies):
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has adopted 988 as a new three-digit number to be used nationwide to reach the National Suicide Prevention and Mental Health Crisis Lifeline, starting July 16,2022. Customers must continue to dial 1-800-273-TALK to reach the Lifeline until July 16, 2022.
In order to 988 to work in your area code, mandatory 10-digit local dialing will be implemented. If your area code is included in the list on the back of this postcard, you will need to dial the area code for all local calls starting on October 24, 2021.
Colorado Area Codes affected are 719 (mine) and 720 (Denver). It looks like 35 other states (or parts thereof) and Guam are affected by this change as well.
Gone are the days when the average person could easily remember a phone number. We still have 999 here for emergencies but they have tried to update that for commonality with other countries. It has been to advantage that even a four year olds can, and have more than once, contacted emergency services in an emergency. Not being a fan of the phone I would have problems and don't know some of the other, even three digit, numbers but '999' was inground in my system from even before we ever had a phone. I don't know about the little numbers but I did try once and found that the area code can be entered as a prefix for local calls, which don't need it. I did wonder how the call routing went if you did and whether the call cost would be different.
By the time today is over almost 2000 people will be dead by one of the leading causes of death. And no one will talk about it. Each year that’s nearly 800,000 And no one will talk about it. It’s one of the major causes of death in young men aged 16-29 And no one will talk about it… Each month it kills twice the number of Americans who died in 9/11 And no one talks about it. Each year in the UK it kills more people than road traffic accidents And no one talks about it..
And that is the problem , no one talks about it..
But suicide kills almost twice the number of people that murder does. Its twice as likely to strike men as women. It can hit any family. Rich or poor regardless of ethnicity, colour or religion it strikes .. And still no one talks about it.
Today is World Suicide prevention day ..
And no one is talking about it… Break the taboo.. Talk about it
Because in the time that its taken you to read this another person decided life wasn’t worth living…
When you never have a thought about taking your own life the idea of suicide as a problem is lost. I think that is the case with most people but it is a huge problem it our society and we shouldn't wait for it to happen to someone we know. Everyone can help. It doesn't take much effort to be there for someone. It doesn't take much effort to get them help. Even if one life is saved its a move in the right direction.
When you never have a thought about taking your own life the idea of suicide as a problem is lost. I think that is the case with most people but it is a huge problem it our society and we shouldn't wait for it to happen to someone we know. Everyone can help. It doesn't take much effort to be there for someone. It doesn't take much effort to get them help. Even if one life is saved its a move in the right direction.
That's easy to say, but my ex had an uncle with severe depression, and he was hard to spend time with.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Sept 10, 2022 6:25:27 GMT -5
I wonder if I were hurt enough, if I'd commit suicide. It is unthinkable, but if I were left alone for too long, how would I feel? It'd be hard to be alone. But I hope such a situation never arises. Because I definitely don't want to kill myself.
There has been a celebrity suicide: the news lady. She was 27 years old. It is tragic: I wonder if - like others - she could've been helped. But her life is over now.
I hope anyone thinking about suicide telephones the Samaritans.
I can speak from personal experience that you have to get to a pretty low & dark place to actually contemplate it and attempt it. I was kinda pissed that I screwed up my attempt the one time I tried it. I tried to do it with pills at school. I was in the bathroom for 3 hrs and nobody noticed. I could've died. I wish I had.
I survived it and decided if I couldn't even do that right it wasn't worth repeating. A person can only withstand so much pain for just so long before the mind starts to break down. I'm not suicidal but I gotta tell ya, I'm not in a good place right now. I'm just kinda hangin on & hopin for the best.
The help I need isn't available here apparently. I don't need a damn therapy dog or yoga. I need someone to talk to with real life solutions that don't involve imaginary shit. Can't get the therapist to understand that. Pretty damn sad. If this is the way mental health care is going it's no wonder people don't survive this crap. I never called any suicide hotline cuz I don't even know if they had one back then. I can imagine the conversation that would take place though. Doubt it would help much for some poor soul on the other end of the line.
I've spent years dragging myself outta the mire every time I find myself in the murky waters of depression. Sometimes I spend some time dog paddling around in the deep end until my brain can justify being alright. Most people aren't that strong. I've had to take care of my own mental health for so long now that it's just second nature. Not one damn person in my life ever listened or gave a shit. Just told me to suck it the f*ck up and deal with it. Not very helpful.
People that do this shit do it because they reach a place where they no longer care. They are at rock bottom. Nobody is there to pull the pills from their hands or the gun from their mouth or the noose from their neck. At that moment it ends up being between them and God. God loves us but he's given us the freedom to choose how we live and die. Sometimes I think he intervenes. Why I don't know. But when I'm down to the bottom of my depression where there's nothing left but sadness and darkness and emptiness...there's no one here to help or to talk to. Nobody wants to be a party to this shit. So we are left to our own devices. If people really cared they'd be there for you when it's darkest and not just when the days are sunny.
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