I just thought I would add something this week from a family perspective. as some of you know from my diary thread it's my birthday this week on the 16th to be precise. But since 2009 I found it very difficult to celebrate and the reason is because my brother's birthday is on the 12th.
Each year as my cards to arrive I'm reminded he won't be there , each year I'm reminded that what was just three years between us now grows further and further as each year passes. I can't help but wonder how my mother feels when she writes my birthday card and doesn't write one for him.
Each year my own joy is tinged with sadness as I am reminded he isn't here
I think a lot of people suffer from survivor's guilt of some sort after someone close to them commits suicide. It's so hard to enjoy certain things when you know they can't anymore.
Yesterday evening at 8,45pm marked 12 years since that phone call the one that said he was dead.
I found myself looking at the clock that moment fixed like a photograph in my mind, I know the TV show that was on, I can rememeber the phone ringing and realising it was a UK number , saying hello thinking OMG is mum ok.
And then....blank, that news hits like a punch in the stomach and causes a blankness of disbelief.
Yesterday my neice left a tribute for her father on social media she says as time passes she is scared that one day she will forget the sound of her fathers voice. She is sad that her father has never seen what she has become that his leaving like that made her grow up in an instant.
I couldnt reply, I know only too well what it means and how they remain in fragments and in opposing emotions the love you have and the anger for leaving you like this. It so hard 12 years on for her father but also 36 years on for mine..
For Neal. I thought of you with love today but that is nothing new I thought about you yesterday and days before that too, I think of you in silence I often speak your name All I have are memories and your picture in a frame Your memory is my keepsake with which I’ll never part God has you in His keeping I have you in my heart.
I just thought I would add something this week from a family perspective. as some of you know from my diary thread it's my birthday this week on the 16th to be precise. But since 2009 I found it very difficult to celebrate and the reason is because my brother's birthday is on the 12th.
Each year as my cards to arrive I'm reminded he won't be there , each year I'm reminded that what was just three years between us now grows further and further as each year passes. I can't help but wonder how my mother feels when she writes my birthday card and doesn't write one for him.
Each year my own joy is tinged with sadness as I am reminded he isn't here
Happy belated birthday Cassie, my heart is with you. If your brother was in so much pain that he had to get out of it that way, I hope you would find comfort knowing he is in a better place for himself now.
I couldnt understand why Ive been so off this week and then I took a good look at the date.
Of course its been 12 years this week since we said goodbye to my brother the day when the hearse moved slowly down the road , police officers stopped traffic and saluted as we passed. When the long lane to the crematorium was lined with HMP officers all in full uniform all saluting as his coffin passed but with tears running down their faces..
The doors to the church wouldnt shut because so many wanted to get inside to say goodbye.
He wasnt famous or rich he was just a bloke who loved football a pint down the pub and a good laugh , he loved his daughter and us and yet he couldnt tell anyone , he felt unable to ask for help.
Some of the same people who stood in that church next to us are the ones on social media saying that MM claims of depression are acting /rubbish / made up/fake … I wonder did my brother worry that was what people would think of him? Did he worry about being laughed at mocked and ridiculed? Is that why he went out all alone and put the noose round his neck?
I dont know we never will …. But I know it explains why Ive felt so bad and why I really dont like people right now..
I would have a hard time giving those people the time of day let alone confiding with them about anything else..
That is so sad. People are either ashamed to discuss it or they simply don't understand.
I have had some who say people are going to hell for doing it, so they don't feel sorry for them. That makes me sick! Some people can be so heartless.
I was taught at school that suicidals went to hell. It was also mentioned at church.
It is one of the many reasons, I cannot accept any of the gods I am regularly offered.
Why? Are you planning to off yourself? I want to add one little thing here. We are taught that he is a forgiving God. Which makes me wonder why the church always preaches as though he's not. There's always time to revisit that subject & change your mind.
I was taught at school that suicidals went to hell. It was also mentioned at church.
It is one of the many reasons, I cannot accept any of the gods I am regularly offered.
Why? Are you planning to off yourself? I want to add one little thing here. We are taught that he is a forgiving God. Which makes me wonder why the church always preaches as though he's not. There's always time to revisit that subject & change your mind.
I have tried to believe, but i just don't get it.
It just seems like fantasy from start to finish. It is not just gods though, I don't believe in ghosts and ghouls either.
I think I am just an unsupernaturalist I honestly don't get any of it.
So much is puzzling too. Like why do people believe in one but not another? If there is a xian god, why is there not an egyptian, or indian gods. Likewise ghosts. Why are ghosts silly and gods aren't? What's the difference?
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Why? Are you planning to off yourself? I want to add one little thing here. We are taught that he is a forgiving God. Which makes me wonder why the church always preaches as though he's not. There's always time to revisit that subject & change your mind.
I have tried to believe, but i just don't get it.
It just seems like fantasy from start to finish. It is not just gods though, I don't believe in ghosts and ghouls either.
I think I am just an unsupernaturalist I honestly don't get any of it.
So much is puzzling too. Like why do people believe in one but not another? If there is a xian god, why is there not an egyptian, or indian gods. Likewise ghosts. Why are ghosts silly and gods aren't? What's the difference?
There are Egyptian gods & Indian gods. However, they are merely idols not actual gods. They have no godlike qualities. They are of manmade materials for worshipping only. The Christian God is the only one true God of the universe. He asks us to believe with the mind of a child. Children are generally very open & trusting with their parents when they are little because they feel safe with them. This is what God wants us to do in order to have faith in him.
It is very supernatural. I've actually physically seen demons so I have no issues with believing. I also know what I experienced when I got saved so I will be remaining a believer to the end. I have no proof that God exists other than what he's done for me which most would simply call fate. I don't just count it as fate because when I pray he answers. Sometimes he says no. It's hard to believe in something that isn't tangible. But I figure if I can see demons & feel their essence when they're around via music or tv programs or through other people...then I will likely be able to see & identify Christ when he returns. That is my hope. I wish I had better answers for you. I will find out when I pass into the next phase of my life...the grave...what waits for me on the other side. I may be wrong. But if I'm not...I don't wanna take the chance of spending eternity in hell & separated from God. I just can't handle that.
He's the only reason I wake up every day & try to make my way in life. If not for Him I would've likely killed myself by now. He's been my only comfort over the years. My one true love. Not in a romantic sense. He has been by my side & helped me through some pretty awful crap. Stuff that would've caused a total mental breakdown in others. He has built up a strength in me because of these difficulties which I believe he will one day use. He's the reason I'm the caring & loving person that I am. He's the reason I keep trying to respond with loving kindness to people even when they treat me like crap. I didn't used to be that way. I'm not perfect by any means.
I have a happier life now than I ever had before even with my other problems. He always finds a way to bring a little joy to each day somehow. Because he knows my heart. He knows what I makes me smile. I look forward to the day when I can throw my arms around God & hug him to death and tell him how much I love him.
I have read the bible cover to cover a couple times now. Sometimes I wonder about some of it. I'm not sure if God expects us to understand it I think he just wants his story to be known. I don't know how preachers can know what this biblical stuff means but they do their best to teach us with the bible about how to apply these things to today's world.
But if you spend no time in the bible or viewing the proper church services & spend no time with God then it's going to be difficult to understand this. Mind you I'm not pointing a finger and condemning. Just making a statement. God is a supernatural being. He's part of the universe not the world. This world is only a temporary home for the vessels of our bodies. I don't know why God had us born into the world. Maybe he was lonely. Who knows? Me? I would've ended us a long long time ago.
Don't think i haven't had the proper indoctrination, I had it from the age of four. My first school the day was thus:
9.00 Prayers 10.00 Before break Prayers 10.15 After break Prayers 11.00 Bible, memorising prayers and catechism till 12.00 12.00 Before lunch break Prayers 12.15 Before lunch Prayers 12.45 After lunch Prayers 1.00 After lunch break Prayers 3.00 Before break Prayers 3.15 After break Prayers 4.00 Prayers then home
...and bible, and catechism. This was from age 4 - 7 when we moved away from glasgow, and I went to a slightly more sensible catholic school.
Then it was fewer prayers, but with bible readings.
There was no need for discussion, why would people want to discuss the bible when it was pure and utter fact.
I remember as a kid worrying that my friends from non catholic schools were going to church, coz it was the wrong church and they were going to burn just as badly as the non believers and even the satanists.
...and bible, and catechism. This was from age 4 - 7 when we moved away from glasgow, and I went to a slightly more sensible catholic school.
Then it was fewer prayers, but with bible readings.
There was no need for discussion, why would people want to discuss the bible when it was pure and utter fact.
I remember as a kid worrying that my friends from non catholic schools were going to church, coz it was the wrong church and they were going to burn just as badly as the non believers and even the satanists.
I remember the same thing Cherry. We were lead to believe basically just that.
I recall that too but I think that's more of a manmade belief. There are churches that don't preach faith based belief but teach works based salvation. I try to avoid those kinds. I've never cared for going to church because I've never found the fellowship or learning I've desired and needed. I live too far from the Newspring Church in Wichita otherwise I would go there.
Pastor Mark is amazing. He helps me understand things better & I feel more fulfilled after viewing the online messages. He deals with today's issues & today's emotional standing. I try to tithe when I can. I used to watch his services on tv years ago but they had it on at midnight so nobody would have to see it. Now I have access whenever I want.
I also used to be catholic. I'm glad I left because I never learned a thing from that church. They don't teach you anything there. They basically read from the bible to you & then tell you what you can & can't do with your life. I think they work on people's guilt instead of letting them know that God loves them no matter what.
The reason they discuss the bible is to help people to understand God & what he expects of us in today's world. They use it as a guide to tell us how to get through certain obstacles in life. I just know that we were taught that God's word is unerring. But how the things back then were interpreted for the bible and how the scholars translated that into the bible may or may not be 100% accurate.
I just try to trust God each day & not worry about it. I know when I breathe my last I will get all the answers I need.
I am catholic and I went through religious education (catechesis) in addition to normal primary school. I was very lucky in a sense that we were taught really beautiful things there. It wasn't like my classmates that went through this religious education in different cities or parts of our city and were expected to learn all the prayers and were tested on them for a grade. We went through a book and read everyday stories about kids our age, relationships between kids and their parents etc. and then discussed these stories and drew morals from them. Was what the main character did ethical or not, what would be the right thing to do in this situation, what would we do in this situation if we found ourselves in it and so on. We occasionally went through the stories in the bible and pulled moral lessons from them. We were encouraged to go to the church on Sundays but it was not mandatory or anything. Overall I've only had good experiences with religion, I read the bible, I pray daily and celebrate all of the big catholic holidays.
With all of that said though, I don't allow religion to dictate what I have to believe and what I have to deny in order to be a good Christian and do all of these things out of fear of God or something, because I never saw and still do not see God as someone who would actively want to hurt or punish people or make them suffer because they disagree with certain things. The very nature of human beings is that we're sinners, we have to live honestly and truthfully to the best of our abilities, but we shouldn't feel the need or pressure to go to the extremes and live uncomfortable for the sake of something or someone else. Obviously things like hurting or killing another human being, stealing etc. are wrong, but there are plenty of grey areas where there's no right and wrong, just different points of view and it's up to people to make their own educated choice.
On the topic of suicide, this is very difficult for me to talk about, as I have no experience with it. I think it's important to talk about this issue and make people feel more comfortable talking about their issues and feelings and not undermining their feelings. People need to feel encouraged to express how bad they feel without being judged. Then we can better help them get professional help they need and support them. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to lose someone close to you due to suicide and have absolutely no idea that they were suffering in the first place. Just writing this out makes me want to call everyone I know and ask if they're okay, if they need anything and let them know I love them.
adaline Im glad youve had good expeirences. The local catholic priest turned up after my brother died and asked what my mother had planned for the funeral ( $$$) then added that as my brother wasnt baptised and had killed himself he wouldnt go to heaven and would end up in limbo if he was lucky... Mum uttered only two words they began and ended in F
On the topic of suicide, this is very difficult for me to talk about, as I have no experience with it. I think it's important to talk about this issue and make people feel more comfortable talking about their issues and feelings and not undermining their feelings. People need to feel encouraged to express how bad they feel without being judged. Then we can better help them get professional help they need and support them. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to lose someone close to you due to suicide and have absolutely no idea that they were suffering in the first place. Just writing this out makes me want to call everyone I know and ask if they're okay, if they need anything and let them know I love them.
It's a good idea to reach out to people. Sometimes we don't know who is suffering to this extent until it's too late It may not always make a difference, but if there is even a tiny chance it could save someone, then it's worth the little effort it takes.
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