There are always lines to be drawn, and maybe the discussion will move your line?
As an example would you invest in a company making gang chains for use in the third world?
The discussion is: should we invest in tobacco manufacturing companies? adult entertainment? I told them to go for it. I need to make money so that we can continue to give out scholarships and grants and save young people from a lifetime of student debts. For those people who want to bring harm to themselves, that's their choice.
I have no issue over the porn industry. I couldn't invest in tobacco though. Much of the tobacco profits now come from the third world, where health legislation is very much weaker than in our western health and safety conscious world.
The discussion is: should we invest in tobacco manufacturing companies? adult entertainment? I told them to go for it. I need to make money so that we can continue to give out scholarships and grants and save young people from a lifetime of student debts. For those people who want to bring harm to themselves, that's their choice.
I have no issue over the porn industry. I couldn't invest in tobacco though. Much of the tobacco profits now come from the third world, where health legislation is very much weaker than in our western health and safety conscious world.
But it's up to the person to use it, right, no one force any one to smoke.
I have no issue over the porn industry. I couldn't invest in tobacco though. Much of the tobacco profits now come from the third world, where health legislation is very much weaker than in our western health and safety conscious world.
But it's up to the person to use it, right, no one force any one to smoke.
A lot of starters are teenagers, and they have puberty charging through their veins. They think it is cool to smoke, and rebellious, and of course, their peer group is right up for it too, for the same reasons. Of course they will just stop when they want.
Then they find out it is not that easy, and addiction is a lot more of a bitch than they thought.
The issues of plastic in the oceans are being dealt with. A LOT of companies are now aware of it and doing something about it.
Bravo!
That's good. Thinking of things statistically, I wonder how many million years would elapse before there are no remaining traces of plastic in the oceans? Looking at things from another view - If there once was intelligent life on Mars then in the trace areas of oceans underground it must be likely that we would find some evidence of plastic residue?
There was a fire on a Norwegian car transporter ship near the island of Ameland yesterday. One crew man is dead 22 are injured.
Salvage crews are trying to stop any leak of oil or other chemicals getting into the Waddenzee a UNESCO world heritage site.
The cause was spontaneous combustion of an electric car. The fire was impossible to contain. This is a problem with electric vehicles from cars to bicycles the lithium battery burns hotter and more intensely than traditional fires and fire fighters cant put them out.
The fire service have a water filled container that they use to submerge electric vehicles for hours to ensure they are safe after a fire.
The other problem we are seeing is this spontaneous combustion of electric vehicles.Its causing major damage. The desire to solve one problem seems to be creating another.
There was a fire on a Norwegian car transporter ship near the island of Ameland yesterday. One crew man is dead 22 are injured.
Salvage crews are trying to stop any leak of oil or other chemicals getting into the Waddenzee a UNESCO world heritage site.
The cause was spontaneous combustion of an electric car. The fire was impossible to contain. This is a problem with electric vehicles from cars to bicycles the lithium battery burns hotter and more intensely than traditional fires and fire fighters cant put them out.
The fire service have a water filled container that they use to submerge electric vehicles for hours to ensure they are safe after a fire.
The other problem we are seeing is this spontaneous combustion of electric vehicles.Its causing major damage. The desire to solve one problem seems to be creating another.
You got there before me on this. It's something which I have strong opions on, both from environmental and safety concerns. There have been a number of spontaneous fires on car transporters carrying electric cars here in recent times.. It's maybe conspiracy theory but I do wonder if there is a push to play them down or whether the trend just hasn't really been noticed.
From my professional opinion, there is great risk from storing any massive amount of energy in a small space. With things like gas or petrol (which effectively have stored energy) there have been, and there still are some, accidents over the years but the risks with them are now well known to everyone. With batteries though few people realise. The manufacturers are trying to pack as much energy into the smallest space possible as the technology is so limited. There is a rush to do that so failures will happen. Even with the old nicad batteries some people have been badly injured with a short circuit cell explosion. We are talking 'c' size cells here, not the bigger batteries in cars.
They did have a problem with a lithium airliner battery which caught fire some years ago but they realised before the poorly designed unit failed badly enough and caused a crash. They gave it a stronger casing, which to me is a poor solution but Ok it was a working solution. I cannot see them wanting the extra cost on something like a car, where they are trying to reduce the price as much as they can.
I think the car batteries that they use do have thermal overload detection and so they can, and probably do, shutdown but the scope for a catastrophic chain reaction with increasing amounts of energy stored in a small adjacent areas must be an issue?
In Sweden recycling has been going on for over 40 years. They are ahead of us.
So the deposit paid on bottles here (sadly now abandoned) more than 40 years ago was not recycling?
We pay deposit on almost all plastic bottles and many glass ones ( think beer bottles) . Theres a tax on new good that mean when you need to get rid of the old tv etc the recycling charge has already been paid We have bottle, clothing and paper recycling bins at every supermarkt and many have places to place small electrical items and chip fat for the proper recycling. No charge!
Ok pet rant incoming... All year long we have been told the planet is dying the ice caps are melting , use less plastic, recyle everything, turn down your heating, turn off that light , take shorter /fewer showers, give up anything with micro plastics and then.... Its Christmas so all that flies out the window people who can afford the electric have brighter Christmas lights than my local operating theatre, paper plasic and foil are used like confetti and food waste spirals out of control.
Then its New year and my biggest bug bear of the year ...Fireworks, people will be chucking strontium carbonate (red fireworks), calcium chloride (orange fireworks), sodium nitrate (yellow fireworks), barium chloride (green fireworks) and copper chloride (blue fireworks)into the air, some of these metals never fully decompose and they pollute rivers and streams they poison all that comes into contact with them, the fumes and smoke they give off cause breathing difficulties for asthma and heart patients. This is before we even count the cost of the stress for animals and people such as veterans who suffer PTSD, then theres the damage to property and the extra burden on hospitals caused by firework injuries. So while some of us are thinking of how to help save or at least give our planet a chance the environment vandals are busy ruining our efforts and all for a cheap thrill..
CO2 is a good gas for plants anyway. Soda pop and companies do need to capure it though.
I was just curious
Trees and rainforests produce approximately 28% of the oxygen on Earth, so what about the other 72%? Well, that comes from the plant life in the ocean. A minuscule marine plant called phytoplankton alone is responsible for 50% of Earth's oxygen.
So the deposit paid on bottles here (sadly now abandoned) more than 40 years ago was not recycling?
We pay deposit on almost all plastic bottles and many glass ones ( think beer bottles) . Theres a tax on new good that mean when you need to get rid of the old tv etc the recycling charge has already been paid We have bottle, clothing and paper recycling bins at every supermarkt and many have places to place small electrical items and chip fat for the proper recycling. No charge!
Here bottles, both glass and plastic are becoming less of a problem now that councils have got their act together.
My gripe is on small electrical items though as we are expected to take them to the local recycling site. For most people in a rural area that is some miles away and generally impossible for someone without their own transport as they don't tend to be on bus routes. The council will pick them up but who wants, or is even able, to pay tens of pounds for them to pick up a toaster? No, many people just put them in the bin, even though it isn't acceptable. The council continually gripe about this continuously and mention that they get bin lorry fires occasionally from short circuited batteries in the waste. What do they expect? They will police it more rigorously but they will only shift the problem elsewhere. At the moment, as our general waste just goes to burning for power production it means that the problem is with those checking the waste on the conveyor as it goes to burning. Peope would sort it better if they had a readily accessible disposal solution.
Move on to yesterday when I read the latest local council newsletter. In it they are now pushing the issue with disposable vapes. As these have batteries, they too should be taken to the local waste disposal site. Now how often did you seen smokers dispose of cigarette ends responsibly? Hence how often will you see vapers take their used vapes to the waste site? Also is it potentially a problem for vapers to accumulate a large stash of used vapes so they can economically take them to waste, particularly when they have the typical small houses and flats that are becoming the norm these days.
They may not have good funding but our councils have got to get their act together and not just pay lip service to waste disposal and recycling. Maybe it should be law that all people selling vapes should have to accept used ones for recycling? There may be a system in place but, not being a vaper, I don't know and from reading, it doesn't appear so.The issue has also been on our local news. How can you easily dispose of a used toaster or similar small item? If there is not a straightforward solution then people just won't and flytipping will become the norm.
Councils should also provide free tip sites for businesses too.
Everybody should be able to leave anything they don't want at council tips free of charge.
I agree, although I do see limitations as it would likely lead larger companies to dump their difficult to dispose of large quantities.
I would think that it is a good idea for small businesses as it would help them and so help the community but perhaps it would still be good for the larger ones, say registered as PLC's, to have to organise their own waste. (I do have gripes against PLC's as they (sometimes literally) get away with murder).
It would still be difficult to police but, for the small businesses, their business rates could cover the cost as does the community charge cover household service.
Councils should also provide free tip sites for businesses too.
Everybody should be able to leave anything they don't want at council tips free of charge.
I agree, although I do see limitations as it would likely lead larger companies to dump their difficult to dispose of large quantities.
I would think that it is a good idea for small businesses as it would help them and so help the community but perhaps it would still be good for the larger ones, say registered as PLC's, to have to organise their own waste. (I do have gripes against PLC's as they (sometimes literally) get away with murder).
It would still be difficult to police but, for the small businesses, their business rates could cover the cost as does the community charge cover household service.
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