I wish everywhere would be equally strict about emissions.. some cars sttiiiinkkk. Can't even drive with the windows down or go for a walk in the neighborhood at times because people have these dark, smelly clouds coming out of their vehicles. Nobody should have to breathe that in!
I remember years ago getting off the train in the city centre in edinburgh, Scotland.
I could hardly breathe. I wondered if I was ailing, as everyone else was walking around quite normally. It took a few minutes to dawn on me, it was exhaust fumes.
I wish everywhere would be equally strict about emissions.. some cars sttiiiinkkk. Can't even drive with the windows down or go for a walk in the neighborhood at times because people have these dark, smelly clouds coming out of their vehicles. Nobody should have to breathe that in!
Although I do not have breathing issues I feel I am almost allergic to diesel fumes as I just feel ill. In the last push toward diesel cars rather than petrol, a few years ago now, I was totally confused. I know the petrol ones had lead in the fuel a few years ealkier but that was gone and, to me, diesel was worse and there became more diesel cars :/ That is actually one reason I don't visit town often and prefer being out in the fields. It may sound wierd but when I am about to walk alongside a main road I usually look first to see if there is a gap in the traffic or not a large lorry so I can time my dash along a busy stretch.
I wish everywhere would be equally strict about emissions.. some cars sttiiiinkkk. Can't even drive with the windows down or go for a walk in the neighborhood at times because people have these dark, smelly clouds coming out of their vehicles. Nobody should have to breathe that in!
Just like second hand smoke. Second hand emissions...
I wish everywhere would be equally strict about emissions.. some cars sttiiiinkkk. Can't even drive with the windows down or go for a walk in the neighborhood at times because people have these dark, smelly clouds coming out of their vehicles. Nobody should have to breathe that in!
Although I do not have breathing issues I feel I am almost allergic to diesel fumes as I just feel ill. In the last push toward diesel cars rather than petrol, a few years ago now, I was totally confused. I know the petrol ones had lead in the fuel a few years ealkier but that was gone and, to me, diesel was worse and there became more diesel cars :/ That is actually one reason I don't visit town often and prefer being out in the fields. It may sound wierd but when I am about to walk alongside a main road I usually look first to see if there is a gap in the traffic or not a large lorry so I can time my dash along a busy stretch.
It gives me a tickle in my throat and makes me cough, and if I'm really close or engulfed in the fumes, then it almost makes me feel like I'm being suffocated. It's really terrible! I try to avoid exhaust as best I can, but sometimes it's really challenging to escape it.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on May 10, 2021 3:10:12 GMT -5
I remmeber - many years ago - I was in London with a good friend. This was the mid 1990's and we were in the street when suddenly I couldn't breathe properly. I said we had to go into a shop because of this. The car exhaust fumes really got to my lungs. I felt so much better in the shop. We cut short our trip in London that day.
This is why I am so glad we now have electric cars. In five years time, petrol cars will be history. Everyone buying a car now is advised to buy an electric car. Because their petrol cars will be obsolete in a few short years time.
I remmeber - many years ago - I was in London with a good friend. This was the mid 1990's and we were in the street when suddenly I couldn't breathe properly. I said we had to go into a shop because of this. The car exhaust fumes really got to my lungs. I felt so much better in the shop. We cut short our trip in London that day.
This is why I am so glad we now have electric cars. In five years time, petrol cars will be history. Everyone buying a car now is advised to buy an electric car. Because their petrol cars will be obsolete in a few short years time.
I don't think it is going to happen that fast here. We are a nation of car lovers and the logistics involve are enormous. Now if you are on a trip, you pull into a rest area and gas up. Doesn't take long at all even with hundreds of cars filling up around the same time. How long would you have to wait to do the same with all electric cars? It just won't work yet. the backups would be out of control.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on May 10, 2021 9:16:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry I misspelt the word remember: I had not realized.
Petrol stations will have to be greatly modified to live up to the demand electric cars bring. But that is something that will have to be dealt with. It is a problem that WILL be solved. Plus, it is to the advantage of the environment to stop the use of polluting petrol cars. This is why car companies have been pressured by the government to advance the technology of electric vehicles. Petrol cars WILL be phased out completely. I'd give that time period at the least 5 to 10 years time. Because technology is improving every year. Our scientists are learning much more about technology and its functions and so on.
I'm not exactly sure the exact time it'll take to do all this, but it will be done by 2030.
I'm sorry I misspelt the word remember: I had not realized.
Petrol stations will have to be greatly modified to live up to the demand electric cars bring. But that is something that will have to be dealt with. It is a problem that WILL be solved. Plus, it is to the advantage of the environment to stop the use of polluting petrol cars. This is why car companies have been pressured by the government to advance the technology of electric vehicles. Petrol cars WILL be phased out completely. I'd give that time period at the least 5 to 10 years time. Because technology is improving every year. Our scientists are learning much more about technology and its functions and so on.
I'm not exactly sure the exact time it'll take to do all this, but it will be done by 2030.
They will have to develop a system of charging that will take minutes and not hours. Yes it can be cleaner but you have to look where the electricity is being created. Coal? Hydro? Nuclear? Wind? Solar? Also when the batteries fail they are going to need to do something with them. That could be another nightmare. Just questions that I am asking? It's not that i am against this.
We have to AMP up the electric panel to accommodate my hubby's two EVs. The SF Bay Area is the land of electric car. I would walk into the parking lot and at least half of the cars are EV. My husband told me that the numbers of landscape lightings (me) and the 68 temp inside the house at all time( me again) are more than what we spend on charging his cars.
I'm sorry I misspelt the word remember: I had not realized.
Petrol stations will have to be greatly modified to live up to the demand electric cars bring. But that is something that will have to be dealt with. It is a problem that WILL be solved. Plus, it is to the advantage of the environment to stop the use of polluting petrol cars. This is why car companies have been pressured by the government to advance the technology of electric vehicles. Petrol cars WILL be phased out completely. I'd give that time period at the least 5 to 10 years time. Because technology is improving every year. Our scientists are learning much more about technology and its functions and so on.
I'm not exactly sure the exact time it'll take to do all this, but it will be done by 2030.
They will have to develop a system of charging that will take minutes and not hours. Yes it can be cleaner but you have to look where the electricity is being created. Coal? Hydro? Nuclear? Wind? Solar? Also when the batteries fail they are going to need to do something with them. That could be another nightmare. Just questions that I am asking? It's not that i am against this.
The charging time of a car is something which would put me off too. It is one thing having a dozen pumps at a petrol sation with cars filling up in a matter of a few minutes but yet another to be (say) 20 minutes filling up. There is not the throughput so prices will have to go up to compensate. Homes will have to have charging facilities but that is near impossible to sort with terrace housing which is common here. How would you cope on the top floor of a tower block? We all know the likely criminal behaviour if you car charger was plugged in down below somewhere. A filling station would have to have maybe ten times the area to allow adequate charging points? Another point is that the government will be losing thousands of pounds in revenue from petrol sales so, once electric vehicles are well established, there will be taxes brought in.
No, at the moment I think electric vehicles do work in limited areas but there is good reason to be wary of having one if you travel far or if you have no charging facilities at home. I think off road parking is a must for this. When I went out for a walk a week or so ago I noticed that a neightbour had an electric car on charge, passing the charging lead out through the house window. Not something I would want in the winter, but at least he has off street parking and could install external charging facilities.
I think hybrids are more ideal for now.. until charging times can improve because in a pinch you don't want to wait that long, so it's still convenient to be able to fill up quickly and move along.
We have quite a few electric cars in our area the houses here were built between 1920 and 1940 and the electricity grid supply in those houses dates from that time. The council put in several electric vehicle charging points the and the demand on the cables was simply too much and one of the electricity substations overloaded and caught fire resulting in us losing mains power for 3 days while the streets were dug up and cables replaced. The actual environmental saving on your electric car depends where you charge it. In Norway it would mainly be with green hydroelectric power in Poland it would come from a coal fired power station. As I've mentioned before there are problems with lithium batteries currently used in cars firstly there is not an awful lot of lithium left that is suitable to be mined, secondly the process of mining lithium is extremely filthy and very polluting. It requires vast amounts of freshwater to mine the lithium and if the polluted water escapes it will kill wildlife. Many years ago Mercedes-Benz developed a hydrogen car but it was scrapped and pushed aside in favour of the more trendy electric vehicle , however the hydrogen car seems to be making a comeback and new vehicles have been designed.
If government push ahead with the electric vehicles I see that cars will become a plaything of the rich, ordinary people who have never had a brand new car will simply not be able to afford electric vehicles because by the time they reach the second-hand market most will be in need of new batteries and the replacement charges are simply unobtainable for most working people.
Moving away from the electric vehicle who actually thinks that the big oil producing countries such as Saudi Arabia and the USA are simply going to roll over and stop production by 2030? Did you know that when they pump oil it doesn't just go to making diesel or petrol fuel there are over 6000 daily products we use that are oil based. Petroleum jelly isn't called petroleum jelly for nothing. Then there are all the jet fuels, the lubricants, candle wax ,man-made fibres, asphalt for roads, soaps etc etc etc the list goes on and on. So even if we all do switched to electric cars there are still those 6000 other things we have to stop using before oil becomes redundant.
Moving away from the electric vehicle who actually thinks that the big oil producing countries such as Saudi Arabia and the USA are simply going to roll over and stop production by 2030? Did you know that when they pump oil it doesn't just go to making diesel or petrol fuel there are over 6000 daily products we use that are oil based. Petroleum jelly isn't called petroleum jelly for nothing. Then there are all the jet fuels, the lubricants, candle wax ,man-made fibres, asphalt for roads, soaps etc etc etc the list goes on and on. So even if we all do switched to electric cars there are still those 6000 other things we have to stop using before oil becomes redundant.
Yes, true. I think of plastics, probably all from oil.
On another tack, I did have a thought this morning. I saw an advert for a compost bin. It has come to the fore again, in some places, promoting compost bins and recycling. Now I thought of the cows in the fields which they are saying increase global warming with their methane production, which incidently gets me annoyed when I think of the herds of millions of animals which ranged the planet before humas became so prolific so why are a few herds a problem? A compost bin will probably produce methane as a by product too? I don't know but it sounds likely. If all homes had a compost bin wouldn't that actually increase greatly greenhouse gasses? Are we actually creating as many problems as we are solving?
Electric cars are all very well. I drive 75 miles to work, and 75 back. When I am at work, I drive around in between my patient's homes. As they are elderly, they often have no cars, so will never have homes fitted with power points. Where am I supposed to charge?
Also no-one seems to have noticed that the country gets cold in the winter. So battery charge is going to have to warm our cars, and an awful lot for people like me who enters the car 15 - 20 times per day, and exits the car 15 - 20 times allowing all that heat to escape, and need replacing.
Then of course we have wipers, electric windows, fans, air conditioning, radios, heavy duty head lamps for the dark, cigar lighters, interior lights, dashboard lights, mobile phone chargers, indicator lights, and sat navs.
Mickey mouse could have made better plans.
Last Edit: May 12, 2021 7:12:57 GMT -5 by a_muppet
I'm sorry I misspelt the word remember: I had not realized.
Petrol stations will have to be greatly modified to live up to the demand electric cars bring. But that is something that will have to be dealt with. It is a problem that WILL be solved. Plus, it is to the advantage of the environment to stop the use of polluting petrol cars. This is why car companies have been pressured by the government to advance the technology of electric vehicles. Petrol cars WILL be phased out completely. I'd give that time period at the least 5 to 10 years time. Because technology is improving every year. Our scientists are learning much more about technology and its functions and so on.
I'm not exactly sure the exact time it'll take to do all this, but it will be done by 2030.
They will have to develop a system of charging that will take minutes and not hours. Yes it can be cleaner but you have to look where the electricity is being created. Coal? Hydro? Nuclear? Wind? Solar? Also when the batteries fail they are going to need to do something with them. That could be another nightmare. Just questions that I am asking? It's not that i am against this.
Electric cars are all very well. I drive 75 miles to work, and 75 back. When I am at work, I drive around in between my patient's homes. As they are elderly, they often have no cars, so will never have homes fitted with power points. Where am I supposed to charge?
Also no-one seems to have noticed that the country gets cold in the winter. So battery charge is going to have to warm our cars, and an awful lot for people like me who enters the car 15 - 20 times per day, and exits the car 15 - 20 times allowing all that heat to escape, and need replacing.
Then of course we have wipers, electric windows, fans, air conditioning, radios, heavy duty head lamps for the dark, cigar lighters, interior lights, dashboard lights, mobile phone chargers, indicator lights, and sat navs.
Mickey mouse could have made better plans.
Carrying on from your idea on the car the Dutch government wants every household to be gas free by 20:30. No matter how old your house they want you to have an all electric system for the heating or via a warmth pump. The problem with warm pumps is that they are big and they are damn noisy they cannot be fitted into lots of these small terraced houses that people still live in.
In my house I have converted every light to an LED bulb I cook with an induction hob and an instant pot so I tried to save energy that way but not everybody can do that and even then my heating/ hot water is on gas. How ever just suppose every household does convert to it all electric where the hell is all that power going to come from? There is not enough space for solar panels besides the fact that this is the land of rain.. windmills are great there would need to be a windmill outside almost every house. The government have ruled out coal-fired power stations and obviously they don't want gas ones which leaves only one alternative and that's nuclear... Is that supposed to be the green alternative?
Jen touched on the methane problem. This is a huge issue here the Netherlands is a massive producer of fruit vegetables and dairy produce we are one of the biggest exporters of food in the world which is no mean feat for a tiny country of just 17 million people. The only way we can cut emissions is to cut our dairy herds cut our production of fruit and vegetables cut our exports, but that means other countries will suffer because they will not get the food that we produce and our country will suffer because trade will be reduced , how will that help anyone?
There was a time people here are into gas, gas stove, gas dryer, gas fireplace... and they still do. I see why. It works much better, it just takes much longer with the electric appliances. In this new place we are building, there are 3 woodburning fireplaces, my sister told me the other day that the local government will soon require them to be electric, that's too bad, we just spend $6000 on each to convert them into gas fireplaces. On another note, while electric cars are hailed as the ultimate things in this valley, they make such a big fuss inspecting our 2 car chargers in the house, the contractor had to spend 3 hours to apply for a special permit yesterday.
Another thing my sisters told me, all houses built from 2020 required to have solar energy.
I don't mind these things since my husband is already into it anyway but all the regulations are just making it more complicated for people to follow and execute.
There was a time people here are into gas, gas stove, gas dryer, gas fireplace... and they still do. I see why. It works much better, it just takes much longer with the electric appliances. In this new place we are building, there are 3 woodburning fireplaces, my sister told me the other day that the local government will soon require them to be electric, that's too bad, we just spend $6000 on each to convert them into gas fireplaces. On another note, while electric cars are hailed as the ultimate things in this valley, they make such a big fuss inspecting our 2 car chargers in the house, the contractor had to spend 3 hours to apply for a special permit yesterday.
Another thing my sisters told me, all houses built from 2020 required to have solar energy.
I don't mind these things since my husband is already into it anyway but all the regulations are just making it more complicated for people to follow and execute.
There was a time people here are into gas, gas stove, gas dryer, gas fireplace... and they still do. I see why. It works much better, it just takes much longer with the electric appliances. In this new place we are building, there are 3 woodburning fireplaces, my sister told me the other day that the local government will soon require them to be electric, that's too bad, we just spend $6000 on each to convert them into gas fireplaces. On another note, while electric cars are hailed as the ultimate things in this valley, they make such a big fuss inspecting our 2 car chargers in the house, the contractor had to spend 3 hours to apply for a special permit yesterday.
Another thing my sisters told me, all houses built from 2020 required to have solar energy.
I don't mind these things since my husband is already into it anyway but all the regulations are just making it more complicated for people to follow and execute.
I keep telling myself "They mean well!"
They better let people know ASAP, especially me . SInce I am about to install another fireplace in my home office. An electric fireplace is much cheaper and less complicated than a gas fireplace.
Wasn't sure which one at first, but the opinion piece by the writer you mentioned linked that one. BTW, that guy has venture funds.. for tech in the oil and gas industry lol not someone I'd get my green energy info from, sorry.
Also, it doesn't sound like they believe it's fantasy. They have goals set to transition to quite a bit of green energy.
Electric cars are all very well. I drive 75 miles to work, and 75 back. When I am at work, I drive around in between my patient's homes. As they are elderly, they often have no cars, so will never have homes fitted with power points. Where am I supposed to charge?
Also no-one seems to have noticed that the country gets cold in the winter. So battery charge is going to have to warm our cars, and an awful lot for people like me who enters the car 15 - 20 times per day, and exits the car 15 - 20 times allowing all that heat to escape, and need replacing.
Then of course we have wipers, electric windows, fans, air conditioning, radios, heavy duty head lamps for the dark, cigar lighters, interior lights, dashboard lights, mobile phone chargers, indicator lights, and sat navs.
Mickey mouse could have made better plans.
Exactly my thoughts but I hadn't even thought about the extras you mention. Even if the people you visit had a charging point it would be impractical as payment would be impossible unless it was 'pay as you charge' which would get even more complicated. I even used to be very apologetic about occasional use of a patient's phone (before mobiles were provided or an iffy mobile signal) without thinking about possibilities of charging the car. I also think that, over the years, many people have kept themselves well by running the engine for the heater when trapped in snow or stuck in a big jam. Have you also noticed how many men sit in their cars at the supermarket while their wives do the shopping? More use of heater and audio without charge.
It's not something that happens often here these days but the, thankfully usually localised, failure of the electricity supply would totally shut things down.
Electric cars are all very well. I drive 75 miles to work, and 75 back. When I am at work, I drive around in between my patient's homes. As they are elderly, they often have no cars, so will never have homes fitted with power points. Where am I supposed to charge?
Also no-one seems to have noticed that the country gets cold in the winter. So battery charge is going to have to warm our cars, and an awful lot for people like me who enters the car 15 - 20 times per day, and exits the car 15 - 20 times allowing all that heat to escape, and need replacing.
Then of course we have wipers, electric windows, fans, air conditioning, radios, heavy duty head lamps for the dark, cigar lighters, interior lights, dashboard lights, mobile phone chargers, indicator lights, and sat navs.
Mickey mouse could have made better plans.
Exactly my thoughts but I hadn't even thought about the extras you mention. Even if the people you visit had a charging point it would be impractical as payment would be impossible unless it was 'pay as you charge' which would get even more complicated. I even used to be very apologetic about occasional use of a patient's phone (before mobiles were provided or an iffy mobile signal) without thinking about possibilities of charging the car. I also think that, over the years, many people have kept themselves well by running the engine for the heater when trapped in snow or stuck in a big jam. Have you also noticed how many men sit in their cars at the supermarket while their wives do the shopping? More use of heater and audio without charge.
It's not something that happens often here these days but the, thankfully usually localised, failure of the electricity supply would totally shut things down.
Indeed. I used to live in a three house hamlet. We often lost electricity for a day or two before the generators arrived. We spent a xmas week one year with a generator buzzing across the road.
Today in a nearby village a lumberyard caught fire. Of course even though fire crews did their best once the fire took hold in a massive warehouse full of wood there was no stopping it. As yet it's uncertain if the fire was caused by a short circuit and explosion in one of the solar panels that covered the roof or if the solar panels exploded due to the heat of the fire. However over 600 of these panels buckled exploded and have now spread razor sharp shards of metal and debris over neighbouring farmland , the farmers have had to take their cattle and sheep inside while they scour fields on foot looking for the dangerous pieces of debris. Residents were advised to keep their doors and windows closed and to stay indoors in case they were hit by flying metal. The fire brigade have now also made the announcement that several heavy metals and other chemicals that were used in the production of the solar panels have been released into the atmosphere and could cause health problems to anyone coming in contact with them.
I don't think there is any real way of avoiding some of those sort of things Cassie although they could take better precautions. I say that because there have been several cases here of similar fires. The really worrying ones are the chemical or nuclear fires though as the dangerous bits are far less obvious and, for those with responsability, much easier to hide.
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