It's like no matter what you try to do just for survival (forget living) always has something go wrong and we as a society just go "sucks to be you" because we're broken. Our mental health system is shit and we'd rather just try to tell people not to kill themselves while ignoring the perfectly valid reasons behind it because we're too pussy to actually invoke any actual changes that benefit everyone. Death is more appealing to life because we have gone and gave life a f**king value that if you can't afford the pricetag you're either sentence to a rough life or you desire death more and more despite society trying to tell you not to kill yourself because you're an asset and a tool. I want death honestly. I could never afford life and there was nothing about me that was special. Society made sure of that. I'm ready to go meet God now.
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
Firstly Im sorry you feel this way. What really sucks is that we as a society allow people to feel like this and face it alone. Luckily you are part of a community that wont sit by. Ive just got up but Im reading this and taking time to reply because I dont want you to be alone.
If you can, would you like to be more specific about whats bought you to this decision. Sometimes outsiders can see things more clearly and are able to guide you to a happier place.
What do you mean about the price tag? Are you faced with being homeless?
So sorry to ask so many questions but having been the one left behind 3 times wondering why, and ripping myself apart for not knowing and not being able to help I cant stand by without at least trying to help.
As Cassie says, it's time to chat about what's getting you down.
From what I remember you are of the age, and group with a high suicide rate. It's generally believed that your age is the best as you have youth on your side. Yes, it's great to be physically that age, but mentally, there's a lot of trauma about which people don't seem to want to recognise.
Honestly, life gets better as you age. If I had the magic wand, I would not return to my twenties. I would return older, even with the ageing process on my body, it would still be worth it.
If you can get through this stage, you will be all the happier for it.
Good advice which I cannot improve on really but I always found it useful that I had somewhat loosly defined goals which I aimed towards. It really helped as there was not too much of an issue if I failed to make a step but eventually getting there was something I can be proud of. It was useful in my travels to substantially ignore the negatives; thinking that no-one is different from anyone else and if I feel like I can do something just do.
Maybe it is just me though but when I looked closely at some of the people / people in organisations when I was in my teens at a point when things were really down I just laughed as they really hadn't a clue and were just following their stereotypes. Things were a bit unreal and my parents even thought I was on drugs even though I wasn't. That's how bad it was but I could see things through other people's eyes, just not adapt to their way of thinking. As a teenager I was sorting myself out. I saw no future but just carried on with my ideas and small circle of friends until things eventually fell into place.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Feb 12, 2024 5:27:52 GMT -5
You won't need to kill yourself: you need to find motivation to correct your problems. If you're buried six feet under you'll never sort out your life. You will always be just a memory. The best revenge you can have is stay alive.
Time seems to be going slowly but time is a constant. You are moving with time. This means things WILL change. But you need to make it right: not commit suicide. I truly believe if push came to shove would you really take that overdose - or heaven forbid - take a gun to your head?
My friend has always threatened suicide. But when I was talking to her a while ago what she said indicated she didn't want to kill herself at all. It was just a way to get the ambulance to take her to hospital. But she told me she did not intend to commit suicide at all. An overdose would be three pain pills. Or dangling her legs out of the window - when she didn't want to jump. Or even do a tiny cut on her arm, claiming she was self harming. Vicky does it all for attention.
You're not Vicky - and do sound suicidal - but do you really want to go through it? Or are you just reaching out for help?
Post by Rebecca Jo on Feb 12, 2024 17:02:49 GMT -5
Leaf, you don't need to take the world's burdens on yourself, but each of us has something to offer the world. Small differences we can make locally and within our "spheres of influence," the people we know personally. Look for ways to help others and it will provide you with a sense of purpose. Also, a certainty that you do matter and you should be in this world for a long while yet.
Hugs! Please feel free to chat with us about any problems you're having in your life, or friends that have issues that are becoming your own burdens. Knowing you're not alone and hearing from us could make a big difference to how well you can cope with it all.
Post by TestDummyCO on Feb 12, 2024 21:32:34 GMT -5
Leaf. I'm so sorry to hear you're feeling this way! I'm not in your situation, but I've been going through a rough time as well. Remember, death is a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem...and believe me, all problems are temporary. All we can do is take it one day at a time. Don't let those bastards win!
That being said, I can't top all these wonderful ladies' advice.
Leaf, I hope you have read these replies. I hope that you have been encouraged to delay any plan you had to step away from this life.
It would be good to know you are ok. It doesn't have to be a long post just an ok, just to let us know you are still with us.. And of course if you need to talk , rant scream or cry someone is always around to listen..
Death is beautiful only when living is embraced with peace and contentment in one's heart.
When pressures in living or surviving is compounded, death often becomes appealing in one's mind. Overtime, mind becomes overwhelmed and coping mechanism got swamped with so much stress. Leaf, you sound very tired, frustrated from everything around you. Most of all, you sound lonely. You may be feeling so alone. So lonely.
Words of a very good mentor and friend of mine in my youth stays with me. He said that a human heart can take anything. Anything - poverty, deception, rejection and even disloyalty. Give heart "loneliness" and it would wither away. I am hoping that you will find a companion in your darkest times. A companion that will make you truly feel that "hey, you are not alone. I'm always here for you."
Do not let society determines who you are or what you are. You are precious and special because YOU are.
In what you're undergoing through now, may you find the right support system that could truly help you.
May you have the faith, the courage and the love you need to be YOU. Until then, you will be in my prayers.
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TestDummyCO > Remember, death is a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem...and believe me, all problems are temporary. If death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and all problems are temporary. Therefore, wouldn't death be a solution to all problems?
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
TestDummyCO > Remember, death is a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem...and believe me, all problems are temporary. If death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and all problems are temporary. Therefore, wouldn't death be a solution to all problems?
To answer that in one word ..no.it doesnt solve anything solving something require working to a solution this simply ends it cuts it off so that a solution is no longer necessary. Plus no one has "all problems" and remember it not only takes away problems it takes away any chance of joy or satisfaction of the solution.
Post by Popcorn&Candy on Feb 18, 2024 2:52:22 GMT -5
Death is a drastic "solution" - for lack of a better word - and should never be an option.
You are very young Leaf: you could well live to be 95 years old. You're not as old as you think.
I write this because my Nan turns 99 years old this year. She was 20 years old 79 years ago. Those problems are long since over. You are certainly not a granny yet! And problems don't last forever. There are solutions - NEVER death - that ease your problems and make your life easier. You have to face your problems: not run away by killing yourself.
You're right though: life is hard but you can make your life better by tackling one problem at a time and being patient with yourself.
cassie I guess you missed the syllogism and solutions don’t always require hard work.
I dont think I did miss anything and I didnt say anything about hard work just working for a solution that includes being open minded enough to accept one..
No, suicide prevention doesn’t work in general. If it did then no one would ever kill themselves or have a desire to kill themselves unless dealing with trauma or any kind of mental health problem. Which the way we treat said problems is also a joke. There are everyday people out there whose reasons for wanting to kill themselves are external or societal. Instead of actually like human beings and come together as a collective to say yeah this is bullshit we just tell them some dumb story about why they matter. When clearly some would only matter as a tool. Shit, I need to save up for a lot of shit I need, but food and gas allow eats that shit up. So, honestly, I sort of just came to the realization that I’m not that important. It’s something I’ve been realizing for years now. The only way I’ll ever matter is if someone I became a mega rich celebrity or dedicated myself to Lord by becoming a nun. That last one also doesn’t mean shit in this reality we reside in since I reside in a country where we always talk about God yet we don’t actually believe in God.
Also, work / hard work, more or less the same thing. Solutions don’t always require such an objective.
Matthew 25:40, NRSV said:
And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.
It's like no matter what you try to do just for survival (forget living) always has something go wrong and we as a society just go "sucks to be you" because we're broken. Our mental health system is shit and we'd rather just try to tell people not to kill themselves while ignoring the perfectly valid reasons behind it because we're too pussy to actually invoke any actual changes that benefit everyone. Death is more appealing to life because we have gone and gave life a f**king value that if you can't afford the pricetag you're either sentence to a rough life or you desire death more and more despite society trying to tell you not to kill yourself because you're an asset and a tool. I want death honestly. I could never afford life and there was nothing about me that was special. Society made sure of that. I'm ready to go meet God now.
How long have you been feeling this way? and how frequent? What triggered this thought? Do you think you have mental issues or are you experiencing any problems that made you feel this way?
Sorry to ask too many questions, but I do believe there is a possible solution for every problem.
Hope you can share with us so that we can contribute our solutions.
It's like no matter what you try to do just for survival (forget living) always has something go wrong and we as a society just go "sucks to be you" because we're broken. Our mental health system is shit and we'd rather just try to tell people not to kill themselves while ignoring the perfectly valid reasons behind it because we're too pussy to actually invoke any actual changes that benefit everyone. Death is more appealing to life because we have gone and gave life a f**king value that if you can't afford the pricetag you're either sentence to a rough life or you desire death more and more despite society trying to tell you not to kill yourself because you're an asset and a tool. I want death honestly. I could never afford life and there was nothing about me that was special. Society made sure of that. I'm ready to go meet God now.
How long have you been feeling this way? and how frequent? What triggered this thought? Do you think you have mental issues or are you experiencing any problems that made you feel this way?
Sorry to ask too many questions, but I do believe there is a possible solution for every problem.
Hope you can share with us so that we can contribute our solutions.
I also wonder the same.
How long have you been feeling this way? We'd like to help, so the more information you share, hopefully the more we can assist.
No, suicide prevention doesn’t work in general. If it did then no one would ever kill themselves or have a desire to kill themselves unless dealing with trauma or any kind of mental health problem. Which the way we treat said problems is also a joke. There are everyday people out there whose reasons for wanting to kill themselves are external or societal. Instead of actually like human beings and come together as a collective to say yeah this is bullshit we just tell them some dumb story about why they matter. When clearly some would only matter as a tool. Shit, I need to save up for a lot of shit I need, but food and gas allow eats that shit up. So, honestly, I sort of just came to the realization that I’m not that important. It’s something I’ve been realizing for years now. The only way I’ll ever matter is if someone I became a mega rich celebrity or dedicated myself to Lord by becoming a nun. That last one also doesn’t mean shit in this reality we reside in since I reside in a country where we always talk about God yet we don’t actually believe in God.
Also, work / hard work, more or less the same thing. Solutions don’t always require such an objective.
I can imagine that being fired up about this topic could be used to dream up real solutions and improved suicide prevention. You could be one of the people who brings others out of feeling so low and hopeless because you truly do understand. Of course, that might mean you'd have to stick around for years to come in order to put those solutions into practice...
I had a cousin who died young and a grandpa who died old, both from self-inflicted gunshot wounds. When it was my cousin, I imagined there was a hidden story - he couldn't really have wanted that ending when he wasn't even 20 yet... It was an accident, or it was his friends to blame since there was a party at the house that weekend... That was my way of coping at the time. When it was my grandpa, I was really mad about it. How dare he cut short the rest of his days with us? How dare he give up? Now, about sixteen years after my grandpa's death, I'm just sad about both of those cases. Sad for me, sad for them...
The thing is that even if you believe you don't matter, others believe you do. Even if you're sure no one would miss you, there are people who need your input and your personality in their lives. They need the connections you've had with them, or will have if you haven't yet met them.
I also don't think that talking about wanting spiritual annihilation after death fits with the verse in your signature. That verse says to me that you acknowledge that there is Someone who loves you, yet your posts say otherwise. Why is that? What's really going on? Maybe you're believing a lie that there's no one to love you and you're unseen. That is definitely not true, since we're here talking with you and caring about you! I also do believe that Someone in Matthew 25:40 exists, loves you like crazy, and has great work for you to do in the world. Relational work, helping others and spreading hope wherever you go.
Stick with us, hon. Let's put our minds on things that cheer us up, and maybe the solutions to the world's problems will become evident as we focus on bright topics!
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