more kind and nice to each other rather than males?
Hello, I grew up with brothers and don't remember wanting to talk to them much. I work with a lot of military wives since I work on a military base and I see who many women interact (English and Japanese) and I was wondering why men are not like this?
Can you educate me?
If I was to be more of a "social butterfly" in a masculine way....what kind of man would that be? I try but sometimes, I am very anti-social. I'm trying though. For example, I also have a men's recovery group and some guys are not able to talk about these things and I'm trying to "be approachable" and "reach out" to these guys and maybe I can learn a thing or two from the ladies.
I'm not looking for "how to attract" because I think women have that down to a science, I mean, some of you just look attacttive and beautiful but how are you all so nice, friendly, or are you?
My wife said "you don't know women, some of scary" and I know she is referring to a kind of double-faced women who smiles at you but inside is not smiling..I'm not talking about that, but genuine,
can you teach a man what you do, to be more friendly to his other male friends, to open up, like you women do?
I mean, guys don't cry a lot, but perhaps the heart of a women is sensitive more? I think.
But I have a co-worker friend who is a women and she said she can't cry and I believe her too.
Well, that is my "ask a women" question for now. I have more but I don't want to bombard or spam the board and be banned.
Yes they can be more openly emotional and supportive but generally when males argue you hear it they shout they may punch each other and thats an obvious sign, when a woman turns against you they are more devious. They plan and plot, they will use any and all information they have learned about you and use it against you , they will turn friends against you, poison your relationship and cause a flood of misery for you.
Just because women are not openly phyically violent doesnt mean they are nice...
Wow, I guess my wife had a point and you are confirming it, but what about the happy office women who seem to like each other. It seems like it's kinda of real, even if it's just being polite, that is what I am after I guess but for 'how to learn it for guys to guys'.
I'm not gay by the way, I just wanted to learn more heartfelt things, even I am even saying it right. Perhaps, I don't know really what I'm asking. But thank you for your kindness.
Yeah, in the office of guys I work with, in IT, there is some who feel like "if I say that to him, he might think, I'm trying to top his advice, which might make him look bad', well, I think like that so I just shutup and let him talk and I already made up my mind. Thank you.
With the office women, they could well be happy with each other or they may be inwardly deadly enemies.The clues are readily readable, particularly in body language. Sub-conscious point scoring is common. Personally I tend to be a loner and don't conform well. In that way I wasn't really surprised when a collegue mentioned to me one time that she was looking forward to a coming conference as it was the opportunity to dress and outshine everyone else. Yes, when I thought, we do. It's just something I would think much about. Other people fit less into the equation with me and I set my own standards.
My take on guys in the office is that some of them can think quite a lot like women. The point always comes though in that men and women have been conditioned to be men or women from an early age. The key seems to be more of being yourself / caring person and reducing the emphasis, as far as practical, on the gender divide. Don't forget that it exists though and be prepared to allow for it.
Agreed.. it can just be differences in how we're raised or what we're told we're supposed to be like. All humans have the ability to be compassionate, empathetic, and show emotion. Men are usually just taught it's not manly, but it's perfectly normal and natural to have the same thoughts or feelings as women. People are people.. we have a wide range of emotions.
I am thankful because my parents let me be myself. If I said I didn't want to wear dresses anymore, and that I liked pants instead, then my mom would buy me nice pants to wear during the holidays instead lol I could play with any toys I wanted. I was not told what was for girls and what was for boys. I did have a brother growing up, so I had some interests that were similar to him.
We're not less of women or less of men for having interests or feelings that are more 'common' in one gender over another. We do not have to be cookie cutter versions of anything.
As for being friendly, I'm naturally that way, but I'm also very quiet in person. I'm not social at all, and I don't make friends very easily because I don't talk enough most of the time. I've never been the social butterfly type, and I usually need others to speak to me first, or I won't say anything. I'm way more social online because it's easier for me to say what I'm thinking that way.
So, I can't really provide pointers on how to get people to open up other than to just be genuine... show that you care and are willing to listen without judgement. Share your stories and experiences in hopes it can encourage others to tell their truths, too. For some reason, complete strangers tend to share their whole life story to me immediately after meeting me... I don't know if people can just pick up on a vibe or sense that you're someone they can open up to or what. I've been told I have a 'calming aura' LOL I call it my boring aura where I make people too comfortable that they get sleepy around me.
Last Edit: Oct 22, 2022 10:34:32 GMT -5 by heatherly
One of my staff is a guy from South Korean. I have never met anyone that can get emotional as quickly as he is. He still needs a lot of technical training on the job, each time I point out the thing that needs to be fixed, he would get soooo emotional, tearing his hair out, trembling voice...He kept telling me " every morning I drive to work, I try to figure out how to my boss happy (what?), I try very hard, I know I do well so why, why..." I can't deal with emotionally sensitive people so I finally told him yesterday " You don't need to make me happy, that's not your job, you just need to do your job right, that's all expected of you and regarding you are working so hard, see those ball players, they work their ass off on the court but if they lose, they still lose so it does not matter how hard we work, we have to do it right , that's the bottom line" I also told him that he is not right for the position if he gets so emotional and frustrated that easily, instead of spending time on his emotion, spend time listening and learning. He seemed to calm down after that. If this happens again one more time, I think I need to show him the door. Too many times, too much already.
One of my staff is a guy from South Korean. I have never met anyone that can get emotional as quickly as he is. He still needs a lot of technical training on the job, each time I point out the thing that needs to be fixed, he would get soooo emotional, tearing his hair out, trembling voice...He kept telling me " every morning I drive to work, I try to figure out how to my boss happy (what?), I try very hard, I know I do well so why, why..." I can't deal with emotionally sensitive people so I finally told him yesterday " You don't need to make me happy, that's not your job, you just need to do your job right, that's all expected of you and regarding you are working so hard, see those ball players, they work their ass off on the court but if they lose, they still lose so it does not matter how hard we work, we have to do it right , that's the bottom line" I also told him that he is not right for the position if he gets so emotional and frustrated that easily, instead of spending time on his emotion, spend time listening and learning. He seemed to calm down after that. If this happens again one more time, I think I need to show him the door. Too many times, too much already.
I also told him that he is not right for the position if he gets so emotional and frustrated that easily, instead of spending time on his emotion, spend time listening and learning. He seemed to calm down after that. If this happens again one more time, I think I need to show him the door. Too many times, too much already.
Good job. I'm curious if after your conversation with him, will he become proactive in making a change or will be become more anxious?
"Why do you think women are more kind and nice to each other rather than males? --- I don't. I don't think that men are any lesser in being kind and nice among themselves compared with how women treat each other (being nice and kind). Women show it differently. Men show it differently. You've observed this already and that's how it is. We are wired differently to each other.
"can you teach a man what you do, to be more friendly to his other male friends, to open up, like you women do?" --- Every individual is unique. It is not about gender but multi factors surrounding or within the individual as pointed out by other members. I would caution you not to fall in the tendency of mirroring how women open up or interact to each other. If a man wants to be more open, to be more capable of showing kindness, compassion to other men, then he must reflect first towards his SELF. From there, he will find the answer. It may take time but like what my mother used to tell me, "anything that is worthwhile taking, anything that is beautiful takes time."
Alternatively, if you need a comprehensive explanation to all your questions, you may burn the midnight oil researching on scientific journals (make sure they are peer reviewed) and yeah, let us know what you find. It'll be a good topic for discussion, I guess.
Last Edit: Oct 22, 2022 17:15:32 GMT -5 by cattleya
One of my staff is a guy from South Korean. I have never met anyone that can get emotional as quickly as he is. He still needs a lot of technical training on the job, each time I point out the thing that needs to be fixed, he would get soooo emotional, tearing his hair out, trembling voice...He kept telling me " every morning I drive to work, I try to figure out how to my boss happy (what?), I try very hard, I know I do well so why, why..." I can't deal with emotionally sensitive people so I finally told him yesterday " You don't need to make me happy, that's not your job, you just need to do your job right, that's all expected of you and regarding you are working so hard, see those ball players, they work their ass off on the court but if they lose, they still lose so it does not matter how hard we work, we have to do it right , that's the bottom line" I also told him that he is not right for the position if he gets so emotional and frustrated that easily, instead of spending time on his emotion, spend time listening and learning. He seemed to calm down after that. If this happens again one more time, I think I need to show him the door. Too many times, too much already.
I like how you spoke to him. In our office, we have a guy from Korea. He speaks three languages. First, his wife is Japanese and 2nd, he works on a military base (we speak English here).
So I know he is smart, and has to endure with us (who speak fast English but he manages).
I think you handled it well.
I hope he will see that you are trying to help him not hurt him. I trust you did it right. Thank you for helping our foreign brothers. I hope hell be not as sensitive and just do the work with good positiveness and learn
Just be yourself. That way the friends you have will be genuine.
This is good and all the other explains that the other members given. Seriously, just asking you all and you tell me the truth is like hitting a treasure just found and I needed to re-hear somethings. Now I have to incorporate that into my life and work space too.
This is how I work ..by the way.
I work in IT, and if you are the quiet type, (this is after the phone is not ringing and no emails or walk in or chats are arriving) I do my "rounds" by walking through the offices and floors. And ask people usually one by one or in a group, "Hey, do you all need anything?" and it's about work stuff but I smile (I still wear a mask but try to kind of smash my eyes to smile) and they are like "oh we're good now but thanks" and if it's boring or slow, I'll try to talk a little bit with them, but it's not bad and everyone else is kind of listening, in the office environment. But I find work and sometimes they are happy that they didn't have to call or submit a ticket but that IT just showed up (cuz I'm bored and honestly trying to be more social, for example, I worked in this building 5 years and never saw customers until I left my office and went to them, now they are like all my friends with exception to 1 who thought I was flirting or trying to make a move on her. This is sad and she ghosted me even when she has tickets for IT, I just give my tickets to a co-worker because she hates me, ignores me, and avoids me at all costs).
Let me explain that scenrio, there was a Japanese lady who was very quite. I used to make coffee for the customers (pre-covid) times and this was not IT just me being social with everyone and to make them happy. This women was OK then, but she told me that she was trying to look for more work. I tried to get her a good bye gift and went to the store and bought her tylenol and vitamin as a going away gift to her. I asked her to visit the office and I tried to give it to her but she didn't take it and walked away. No words just left me there. After a while, I tried to say "I'm sorry I offend you somehow but I will not contact you because I get that you are upset at me for something" and that was years ago. Even now she will ignore me if we happen to meet passing by. Oh wait, there was one more incident, while I was making coffee for all the customers (not just her), she emailed me, because I was emailing her (it was not inappropriate at all, please believe me)..I asked her "what do you believe in?" (my intent was to tell her that I was a Christian to see if she was open to spiritual things) and she said "I'm a realist and am against anything or anyone who is overtly or covertly trying to take advantage of anyone" (that is strange english specially from a Japanese person) but I understood that she might be seeing me as a religious money-grabbing, child-abusing false prophet or something, so I think this is the straw that broke the camels back. I am sorry I even brought up religion to her but how can I not tell my friends what I believe in. Well, that's the end of that story. Thanks for taking time to read it.
I think some think I left my work to walk around and flirt with the ladies (sometimes I have to question my intentions being a recovering addict, my addiction morphed from images to now getting emotional support from ladies at time). Oh no! I hope I didn't make you understand that you are my new emotional support. Dang!.
I know they are all married and I'm not looking for dates or anything from them. Sometimes I compliment them on their clothes or saying "it smells nice in here" but that's it. I try to not look anything below their face, even if they are advertising it and want me to lose or don't care, I care, and I don't want to see them as "pieces of meat" and they (those kinds who secretly advertise) don't know how much temptation that is for me, and how much I have to resist but I do it for me, my own sanity, my wife, like I imagine she is there and my God to help me. I did ask one of is like a friend (kind of) to me, "why do you expose your self too much?" Like she was showing me her instagram photos and she said "why not" and I said "I'm a recovering addict and she said "that's your problem you know" Dang! See that kind of attitude. I'm not mad at her but fudge nuggets. !!!!
We still talk and she told me (office lady, have to make it clear) and she always tells me "give me attention, give me compliments" and I say "Uh, nice buff arms" because she told me she goes to the gym. See how I tried to get out of that one.
Instead of saying "nice" whatever, I chose arm, because I wanted to give her something without really bringing my mind into dark evil places like before.
mmmm, I'm looking for roots in me, root and similarities in cultures, to find truth, confirmation and testing my self and others. I guess I am doing that.
Yes they can be more openly emotional and supportive but generally when males argue you hear it they shout they may punch each other and thats an obvious sign, when a woman turns against you they are more devious. They plan and plot, they will use any and all information they have learned about you and use it against you , they will turn friends against you, poison your relationship and cause a flood of misery for you.
Just because women are not openly phyically violent doesnt mean they are nice...
There are days I wish we could get away with shouting at each other and punching one another.
Yes they can be more openly emotional and supportive but generally when males argue you hear it they shout they may punch each other and thats an obvious sign, when a woman turns against you they are more devious. They plan and plot, they will use any and all information they have learned about you and use it against you , they will turn friends against you, poison your relationship and cause a flood of misery for you.
Just because women are not openly phyically violent doesnt mean they are nice...
There are days I wish we could get away with shouting at each other and punching one another.
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