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Sept 15, 2022 10:45:35 GMT -5 cassie said:

Absolutely...Also more bacteria in mens beards than on a dogs head... More reason to ditch the fellas and kiss the dog !

I would personally treat such figures with a pinch of salt as the feet / shoes comparision does not give details of the testing and the figures don't appear directly comparable. Even in the beard, it will be the type of bacteria which are important to health concerns. Did they compare the types in both cases?

More details here... This wasnt just wet finger work this was carried out by microbiologists in a lab...

The beards of men harbor significantly more microbes than the neck fur of dogs and these microbes were significantly more pathogenic to humans," per the study.

When it comes to the shoe study.. While I agree (pet) dogs should not be in food shops I would love to see similar rules applied to people who put their children into shopping trolleys...

Given what we know is on shoes and bearing in mind that children are often not as careful as adults in where they walk/stand I do not want to put my food into a trolley that has been stood in by a child...

This is what I mean ... Who knows where that child has been, yet my dog is banned ?

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eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/04/17/beards-dirtier-than-dogs-study-says-significantly-more-germs-men/3495993002/

I would personally treat such figures with a pinch of salt as the feet / shoes comparision does not give details of the testing and the figures don't appear directly comparable. Even in the beard, it will be the type of bacteria which are important to health concerns. Did they compare the types in both cases?

More details here... This wasnt just wet finger work this was carried out by microbiologists in a lab...

The beards of men harbor significantly more microbes than the neck fur of dogs and these microbes were significantly more pathogenic to humans," per the study.

When it comes to the shoe study.. While I agree (pet) dogs should not be in food shops I would love to see similar rules applied to people who put their children into shopping trolleys...

Given what we know is on shoes and bearing in mind that children are often not as careful as adults in where they walk/stand I do not want to put my food into a trolley that has been stood in by a child...

This is what I mean ... Who knows where that child has been, yet my dog is banned ?

Thanks for the update. On reading the reports I do wonder if they are trying more to prove a point than just unbiased figures. That may well be the people who wrote the articles putting their slant on things though. This particular line: "Additionally, not a single dog’s paw showed any signs of diarrheal bacteria. Meanwhile, one human’s shoe sole contained Clostridium difficile." In such a short article putting this is really sensationalising, not of any real value at all in itself in my opinion.

I do agree about not having children in food trolleys but I have noticed that they are poorly treated anyway. They are often very grubby here.I suspect dirty shoes may be the least of the worries as I have even seen things like rotting food particles in them. The supermarkets do provide tissue (sometimes) but the useful anti-bac that they used in covid is not always readily available now.

Personally I don't have any issues with not banning of (controlled) dogs in shops. The shops hygene should be enough to sort any likely issues and the owner has been in direct contact with them outside anyway so any problem will be carried in on their hands, which are far more likely to contaminate things. It's perhaps more that the shops, supermarkets in particular, would have a potentiol problem of dogs access to low level displayed food items. The floors should be regularly cleaned anyway, and as your reports point out, dog's feet are unlikely to be worse than peoples shoes.

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Sept 19, 2022 3:13:46 GMT -5 jen said:

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/04/17/beards-dirtier-than-dogs-study-says-significantly-more-germs-men/3495993002/

More details here... This wasnt just wet finger work this was carried out by microbiologists in a lab...

The beards of men harbor significantly more microbes than the neck fur of dogs and these microbes were significantly more pathogenic to humans," per the study.

When it comes to the shoe study.. While I agree (pet) dogs should not be in food shops I would love to see similar rules applied to people who put their children into shopping trolleys...

Given what we know is on shoes and bearing in mind that children are often not as careful as adults in where they walk/stand I do not want to put my food into a trolley that has been stood in by a child...

This is what I mean ... Who knows where that child has been, yet my dog is banned ?

Thanks for the update. On reading the reports I do wonder if they are trying more to prove a point than just unbiased figures. That may well be the people who wrote the articles putting their slant on things though. This particular line: "Additionally, not a single dog’s paw showed any signs of diarrheal bacteria. Meanwhile, one human’s shoe sole contained Clostridium difficile." In such a short article putting this is really sensationalising, not of any real value at all in itself in my opinion.

I do agree about not having children in food trolleys but I have noticed that they are poorly treated anyway. They are often very grubby here.I suspect dirty shoes may be the least of the worries as I have even seen things like rotting food particles in them. The supermarkets do provide tissue (sometimes) but the useful anti-bac that they used in covid is not always readily available now.

Personally I don't have any issues with not banning of (controlled) dogs in shops. The shops hygene should be enough to sort any likely issues and the owner has been in direct contact with them outside anyway so any problem will be carried in on their hands, which are far more likely to contaminate things. It's perhaps more that the shops, supermarkets in particular, would have a potentiol problem of dogs access to low level displayed food items. The floors should be regularly cleaned anyway, and as your reports point out, dog's feet are unlikely to be worse than peoples shoes.

To be honest I have yet to see any article that is unbiased about anything in the world. In this case it's quite possible that the scare stories about dogs and hygiene were some what the motivation behind these studies.

However it is worth pointing out that while there are only a handful of zoonotic diseases transferable from dogs to humans , there are thousands that can be passed from human to human further enforcing the point that you're more likely to become sick from interaction with another human than you are from interaction with a dog.

It just goes to show that all those people who have the screaming heebie-jeebies about dogs on their floors or on their furniture really need not worry .. you are more likely to catch something from the local vicar then you are from the dog.

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I would personally treat such figures with a pinch of salt as the feet / shoes comparision does not give details of the testing and the figures don't appear directly comparable. Even in the beard, it will be the type of bacteria which are important to health concerns. Did they compare the types in both cases?

More details here... This wasnt just wet finger work this was carried out by microbiologists in a lab...

The beards of men harbor significantly more microbes than the neck fur of dogs and these microbes were significantly more pathogenic to humans," per the study.

When it comes to the shoe study.. While I agree (pet) dogs should not be in food shops I would love to see similar rules applied to people who put their children into shopping trolleys...

Given what we know is on shoes and bearing in mind that children are often not as careful as adults in where they walk/stand I do not want to put my food into a trolley that has been stood in by a child...

This is what I mean ... Who knows where that child has been, yet my dog is banned ?

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Sept 19, 2022 3:47:13 GMT -5 cassie said:

Sept 19, 2022 3:13:46 GMT -5 jen said:

Thanks for the update. On reading the reports I do wonder if they are trying more to prove a point than just unbiased figures. That may well be the people who wrote the articles putting their slant on things though. This particular line: "Additionally, not a single dog’s paw showed any signs of diarrheal bacteria. Meanwhile, one human’s shoe sole contained Clostridium difficile." In such a short article putting this is really sensationalising, not of any real value at all in itself in my opinion.

I do agree about not having children in food trolleys but I have noticed that they are poorly treated anyway. They are often very grubby here.I suspect dirty shoes may be the least of the worries as I have even seen things like rotting food particles in them. The supermarkets do provide tissue (sometimes) but the useful anti-bac that they used in covid is not always readily available now.

Personally I don't have any issues with not banning of (controlled) dogs in shops. The shops hygene should be enough to sort any likely issues and the owner has been in direct contact with them outside anyway so any problem will be carried in on their hands, which are far more likely to contaminate things. It's perhaps more that the shops, supermarkets in particular, would have a potentiol problem of dogs access to low level displayed food items. The floors should be regularly cleaned anyway, and as your reports point out, dog's feet are unlikely to be worse than peoples shoes.

To be honest I have yet to see any article that is unbiased about anything in the world. In this case it's quite possible that the scare stories about dogs and hygiene were some what the motivation behind these studies.

However it is worth pointing out that while there are only a handful of zoonotic diseases transferable from dogs to humans , there are thousands that can be passed from human to human further enforcing the point that you're more likely to become sick from interaction with another human than you are from interaction with a dog.

It just goes to show that all those people who have the screaming heebie-jeebies about dogs on their floors or on their furniture really need not worry .. you are more likely to catch something from the local vicar then you are from the dog.

I always assumed the problem with dogs in shops was them sitting down leaving poo from their bottoms, or if one urinates then they all follow.

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eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/04/17/beards-dirtier-than-dogs-study-says-significantly-more-germs-men/3495993002/

I would personally treat such figures with a pinch of salt as the feet / shoes comparision does not give details of the testing and the figures don't appear directly comparable. Even in the beard, it will be the type of bacteria which are important to health concerns. Did they compare the types in both cases?

More details here... This wasnt just wet finger work this was carried out by microbiologists in a lab...

The beards of men harbor significantly more microbes than the neck fur of dogs and these microbes were significantly more pathogenic to humans," per the study.

When it comes to the shoe study.. While I agree (pet) dogs should not be in food shops I would love to see similar rules applied to people who put their children into shopping trolleys...

Given what we know is on shoes and bearing in mind that children are often not as careful as adults in where they walk/stand I do not want to put my food into a trolley that has been stood in by a child...

This is what I mean ... Who knows where that child has been, yet my dog is banned ?

Right now I'm just glad that my hubby doesn't have a beard or even a mustache.

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Sept 19, 2022 4:30:01 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

Sept 19, 2022 3:47:13 GMT -5 cassie said:

To be honest I have yet to see any article that is unbiased about anything in the world. In this case it's quite possible that the scare stories about dogs and hygiene were some what the motivation behind these studies.

However it is worth pointing out that while there are only a handful of zoonotic diseases transferable from dogs to humans , there are thousands that can be passed from human to human further enforcing the point that you're more likely to become sick from interaction with another human than you are from interaction with a dog.

It just goes to show that all those people who have the screaming heebie-jeebies about dogs on their floors or on their furniture really need not worry .. you are more likely to catch something from the local vicar then you are from the dog.

I always assumed the problem with dogs in shops was them sitting down leaving poo from their bottoms, or if one urinates then they all follow.

Lol,, When I worked in the bakery there was a woman who constantly ignored me telling her she couldnt bring her peke into the shop.. She insisted that because she carried it there was no problem ..I knew we faced a huge fine if she was caught by the authorities ( yes the shop keeper faces the fine) anyway one day she ordered a very nice birthday cake and as we always did I held the cake up for her inspection and approval before shutting the lid and sealing it.. As I held it up her dog gave an almightly sneeze ....Right over the cake..

I filpped the lid shut and said 'and thats why dogs aren't allowed' and rang up the sale...

I always wonder if she dared serve it to her guests...

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Sept 19, 2022 4:30:01 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

Sept 19, 2022 3:47:13 GMT -5 cassie said:

To be honest I have yet to see any article that is unbiased about anything in the world. In this case it's quite possible that the scare stories about dogs and hygiene were some what the motivation behind these studies.

However it is worth pointing out that while there are only a handful of zoonotic diseases transferable from dogs to humans , there are thousands that can be passed from human to human further enforcing the point that you're more likely to become sick from interaction with another human than you are from interaction with a dog.

It just goes to show that all those people who have the screaming heebie-jeebies about dogs on their floors or on their furniture really need not worry .. you are more likely to catch something from the local vicar then you are from the dog.

I always assumed the problem with dogs in shops was them sitting down leaving poo from their bottoms, or if one urinates then they all follow.

Well that would make a total mockery of the stats anyway but that is why I clarified 'controlled dogs' earlier. In general I don't think they are a problem (and even small children have accidents

).

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Sept 18, 2022 17:47:15 GMT -5 a_muppet said:

Sept 18, 2022 17:24:33 GMT -5 alsr said:

And they make my guests comfortable...

I would also feel 'cared for' if it was me.

Yeah, plus a cuppa and shortbread (or whatever is in the pantry

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